Mr P, I will add a third rail 5" away from the cess rail just for you! ;)
Wife would kill me if I took up anymore garden! :|
BTW is the rugeley line you use the one in the power station? I remember seeing that when working in there with the MGR's.
Anyway video up now, need to convince my mate to fit chuff pipes as they are far too quiet, added music instead.
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The CVLR gets it's new home (WIP railway & stock)
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I will await your third rail with BB. I shall look forward to it greatly !Pendo Pilot:58257 wrote:Mr P, I will add a third rail 5" away from the cess rail just for you! ;)
Wife would kill me if I took up anymore garden! :|
BTW is the rugeley line you use the one in the power station? I remember seeing that when working in there with the MGR's.
In answer to your BTW (took me a while to work that one out), yes it is and:
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BB? Baited breath? 
Oh & yes MGR's= Merry go rounds or slacks LOL.
Glad to see the Rugeley line is still going. I used to have a quick peak around it when in the power station but never saw anything running. That was the early 90's though, used to get an hour or so between the RR & RM after hooking the HAA's back on & plodding through the CD with SSC stuck at 1/2 mph. Did have longer in there once but that was when we had an earth fault & then we were REL by a BS crew..
Sorry, used to abbr's now, the railway loves them. Nowadays I use a PBC to drive, whilst maintaining the DSD down until the DVD goes off & then release & reapply aknowledging the AWS for signals & TSR's/ ESR's & PS AWS making sure I don't hit the TPWS OSS or OSS+ at too high a speed. Of course I would activate the TS if I spad. TASS also monitors me. To get off the train I use a TADS (I'm not even joking, Track Access Device, or if you are non railway, the folding out step).
Just thought the rope ladder in my cab has not got a shortened name, must bring that up with my manager!
Make to normal now, got it out my system..
Don't think I've been in the PS since about 2003. Looks a lovely setup.
Oh & yes MGR's= Merry go rounds or slacks LOL.
Glad to see the Rugeley line is still going. I used to have a quick peak around it when in the power station but never saw anything running. That was the early 90's though, used to get an hour or so between the RR & RM after hooking the HAA's back on & plodding through the CD with SSC stuck at 1/2 mph. Did have longer in there once but that was when we had an earth fault & then we were REL by a BS crew..
Sorry, used to abbr's now, the railway loves them. Nowadays I use a PBC to drive, whilst maintaining the DSD down until the DVD goes off & then release & reapply aknowledging the AWS for signals & TSR's/ ESR's & PS AWS making sure I don't hit the TPWS OSS or OSS+ at too high a speed. Of course I would activate the TS if I spad. TASS also monitors me. To get off the train I use a TADS (I'm not even joking, Track Access Device, or if you are non railway, the folding out step). Just thought the rope ladder in my cab has not got a shortened name, must bring that up with my manager!
Make to normal now, got it out my system..
Don't think I've been in the PS since about 2003. Looks a lovely setup.
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bessytractor
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Nope -- can't resist it
Pendo Pilot:58278 wrote:BB? Baited breath? ;) YEP!
Oh & yes MGR's= Merry go rounds or slacks LOL (Lots Of Load?).
Glad to see the Rugeley line is still going. I used to have a quick peak around it when in the power station but never saw anything running. That was the early 90's though, used to get an hour or so between the RR & RM (I give up) after hooking the HAA's (funny wagons) back on & plodding through the CD (Complete Depot) with SSC (Stupid Speed Controller) stuck at 1/2 mph. Did have longer in there once but that was when we had an earth fault & then we were REL (Really ELectrocuted) by a BS (B***** Stupid) crew.. :twisted: :twisted:
Sorry, used to abbr's now, the railway loves them. Nowadays I use a PBC (Pretty Bad Cap -- see photo in "reveal yourself") to drive, whilst maintaining the DSD (Driver's Silly Device) down until the DVD (Driver's anti-Vegitative Device) goes off & then release & reapply aknowledging the AWS (Alternative Wake-up Sound) for signals & TSR's/ ESR's & PS AWS (Totally Silly / Extremely Silly Responses & Partially Silly AWSs) making sure I don't hit the TPWS (Truly Painful Wake-up Sound) OSS (Or Silly Sound) or OSS+ (Or even more Silly Sound) at too high a speed. Of course I would activate the TS (Tea Stop) if I spad. TASS (Totally Automated Speed System) also monitors me. To get off the train I use a TADS (I'm not even joking, Track Access Device, or if you are non railway, the folding out step).
Just thought the rope ladder in my cab has not got a shortened name, must bring that up with my manager!
Make to normal now, got it out my system..
Don't think I've been in the PS since about 2003. Looks a lovely setup.
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Pendo Pilot
Ha Mr P, didnt think you could resist.
LOL= "Laugh out loud", a common interweb abbr & not related to slack which is just the small crap coal they wang in powerstations.
RR= "Run round". The train that is & not random running about.
RM= "Reverse move". Can apply to propelling or changing direction, I only get RM at Euston usually these days.
HAA= "Hopper wagon/Type A/ Air braked".
CD= "Coal drops"
SSC= "Slow Speed Controller", an automated device fitted to some class 20,47,56,58,60 (& possibly rancid sheds(Class 66's)). Keeps loco at the required speed for correct speed (1/4 or 1/2mph for dropping coal into the drops.)
Earth Fault= "Derailment". Coined from the usual phrase "in the dirt".
Rel= "Relieved" As in a crew change.
BS= Bescot depot.
PBC= "Power brake controller". The horrid devices fitted to most modern stuff including 175's, 221's & 390s. Single lever for power & brake settings, gives less control of train than twin lever setups although 390 ones are fairly decent as I have 4 power notches with half settings through the quadrant giving me 8 in total & 6 brake settings complete with half's again for a total of 12.
DSD= "Drivers safety device" i.e Deadmans pedal.
DVD= "Drivers Vigilance device" A system that requires you to let your foot off the DSD every 60 seconds to make sure you have not died whilst resting on deadmans pedal.
AWS= "Automatic Warning system" The more modern version of the GWR's advanced ATC system. Bell & no action for green aspect signals/ horn & cancel required for restrictive & red aspects. Also horn & cancel required for TSR/ESR & PS changes with more than 25mph speed drop.
TSR= "Temporary speed restriction"
ESR= "Emergency speed restriction" One that has not had time to be placed in drivers late notices.
PS= "Permissive speed". The speed for the class of train over the section of line. Usually different speeds for freight, regular PS for conventional stock, MU for some multiple units, HST for classes deemed high speed & EPS (Enhanced permissive speed) in two different levels for class 221's & class 390's, 221's being less as they only tilt 6 degrees rather than 390's 8. Basically means I need to learn 4 different speeds for the same section of track (221 tilting/390 tilting & 221/390 non tilting or class 57. Although 221's can run on MU/HST enhanced speeds but 390's can not as they are not classed as multiple units....
TPWS= "Train protection warning system".
OSS= "Overspeed sensor" Fitted as part of TPWS & dumps the brake if you approach a red signal too fast if fitted.
OSS+ = "Overspeed sensor plus" Fitted nearer the single yellow & does the same. A right royal pain in the butt as it is set for any train & my 390 brakes like a Ferrari where as a freight brakes like a boeing 747 & it is set for the freight!
TS = "Train Stop" The final sensor part of TPWS, fitted at the red signal & should bring the train to a stop but at the speed I do it would make no difference.
TASS= "Tilt Authority & Speed supervision" The device fitted to class 221's & class 390's. The train reads devices fitted to the track that tell the train how much tilt to apply based on the speed it is doing. Always fun when you are maxed over on a sharp curve & TASS decides it can not be bothered to work anymore which puts the whole train from full tilt to straight upright. Annoys the passengers, chef, customer service assistants & train manager. Usually followed by complaints that I am steering badly...No I am not joking! Seeing sausages & bacon spread up the walls in the kitchen looks good & was my personal best for tilt failure so far. Chef did not bring me breakfast that day.
There you go! :twisted:
LOL= "Laugh out loud", a common interweb abbr & not related to slack which is just the small crap coal they wang in powerstations.
RR= "Run round". The train that is & not random running about.
RM= "Reverse move". Can apply to propelling or changing direction, I only get RM at Euston usually these days.
HAA= "Hopper wagon/Type A/ Air braked".
CD= "Coal drops"
SSC= "Slow Speed Controller", an automated device fitted to some class 20,47,56,58,60 (& possibly rancid sheds(Class 66's)). Keeps loco at the required speed for correct speed (1/4 or 1/2mph for dropping coal into the drops.)
Earth Fault= "Derailment". Coined from the usual phrase "in the dirt".
Rel= "Relieved" As in a crew change.
BS= Bescot depot.
PBC= "Power brake controller". The horrid devices fitted to most modern stuff including 175's, 221's & 390s. Single lever for power & brake settings, gives less control of train than twin lever setups although 390 ones are fairly decent as I have 4 power notches with half settings through the quadrant giving me 8 in total & 6 brake settings complete with half's again for a total of 12.
DSD= "Drivers safety device" i.e Deadmans pedal.
DVD= "Drivers Vigilance device" A system that requires you to let your foot off the DSD every 60 seconds to make sure you have not died whilst resting on deadmans pedal.
AWS= "Automatic Warning system" The more modern version of the GWR's advanced ATC system. Bell & no action for green aspect signals/ horn & cancel required for restrictive & red aspects. Also horn & cancel required for TSR/ESR & PS changes with more than 25mph speed drop.
TSR= "Temporary speed restriction"
ESR= "Emergency speed restriction" One that has not had time to be placed in drivers late notices.
PS= "Permissive speed". The speed for the class of train over the section of line. Usually different speeds for freight, regular PS for conventional stock, MU for some multiple units, HST for classes deemed high speed & EPS (Enhanced permissive speed) in two different levels for class 221's & class 390's, 221's being less as they only tilt 6 degrees rather than 390's 8. Basically means I need to learn 4 different speeds for the same section of track (221 tilting/390 tilting & 221/390 non tilting or class 57. Although 221's can run on MU/HST enhanced speeds but 390's can not as they are not classed as multiple units....
TPWS= "Train protection warning system".
OSS= "Overspeed sensor" Fitted as part of TPWS & dumps the brake if you approach a red signal too fast if fitted.
OSS+ = "Overspeed sensor plus" Fitted nearer the single yellow & does the same. A right royal pain in the butt as it is set for any train & my 390 brakes like a Ferrari where as a freight brakes like a boeing 747 & it is set for the freight!
TS = "Train Stop" The final sensor part of TPWS, fitted at the red signal & should bring the train to a stop but at the speed I do it would make no difference.
TASS= "Tilt Authority & Speed supervision" The device fitted to class 221's & class 390's. The train reads devices fitted to the track that tell the train how much tilt to apply based on the speed it is doing. Always fun when you are maxed over on a sharp curve & TASS decides it can not be bothered to work anymore which puts the whole train from full tilt to straight upright. Annoys the passengers, chef, customer service assistants & train manager. Usually followed by complaints that I am steering badly...No I am not joking! Seeing sausages & bacon spread up the walls in the kitchen looks good & was my personal best for tilt failure so far. Chef did not bring me breakfast that day.
There you go! :twisted:
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The knackered Edrig made it's first trip over the complete line. Gas control valve is defective which means I can't shut off the gas. But it hasnt run since about march & I wanted to run the full line with it..
Only managed 3 laps....
Oh & finally the lines first signalbox gets started. Shame on me, 11 years in the real thing & yet I have failed to make even one for the line..
Based around a 12 lever frame I bought on ebay last year.
Where its going, hope to get it all working.
Started planking it tonight.
The frame, note the interlocking on levers 6 & 7. Cant pull 7 unless 6 is in the normal position. I need to work out how to use that with my track plan. I do wonder what layout it was chopped out of.
The knackered Edrig made it's first trip over the complete line. Gas control valve is defective which means I can't shut off the gas. But it hasnt run since about march & I wanted to run the full line with it..
Only managed 3 laps....
Oh & finally the lines first signalbox gets started. Shame on me, 11 years in the real thing & yet I have failed to make even one for the line..
Based around a 12 lever frame I bought on ebay last year.
Where its going, hope to get it all working.
Started planking it tonight.
The frame, note the interlocking on levers 6 & 7. Cant pull 7 unless 6 is in the normal position. I need to work out how to use that with my track plan. I do wonder what layout it was chopped out of.
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TommyDodd
Join the club. Large (but not large enough) stock of Wrightscale signal kits waiting assembly, 7 lever MSE frame part-built (for several years now), bits of a GRS resin signalbox kit floating around and a few back-of-envelope circuit diagrams for block & bells are the sum total of my S&T dept's achievements- although I do have 2 train staffs made and labelled! Given that the to-do list involves 3 boxes (of 7, 14 and either 21 or 28 levers depending how energetic I feel) this is not altogether satisfactory.Pendo Pilot:58353 wrote:
Oh & finally the lines first signalbox gets started. Shame on me, 11 years in the real thing & yet I have failed to make even one for the line..
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Mr D, Sounds as if your S&T dept are as naff as mine!!
Do need a supply of bellcranks, runs for point rodding & the rodding itself...Any idea's?
Bit more progress today, planked & first coat of paint..Later window frames were added although need to get more frames as I'm short by two.
With the Carrie giving scale.
Not the best finish, but I'm happy with it as its basically made from scrap materials.
Now waiting for a floor to be fitted, this will be just below the 1st side beam up..
Do need a supply of bellcranks, runs for point rodding & the rodding itself...Any idea's?
Bit more progress today, planked & first coat of paint..Later window frames were added although need to get more frames as I'm short by two.
With the Carrie giving scale.
Not the best finish, but I'm happy with it as its basically made from scrap materials.
Now waiting for a floor to be fitted, this will be just below the 1st side beam up..
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IrishPeter
Dear PP,
It sounds like you need a few beers and a day or two in the land of Staff and Ticket after working in Acronym Alley. I am afraid my mastery of railway operating systems is more in the land of semaphore signalling, manual train staffs, and loose coupled freight. My next task wil be mastering Dutch tramway signalling - that is, if there was any worth talking about!?
Of course my line is currently down to one halfway knackered 'Ruby' - which will eventually get its "shed" fitted; promise - as the other is still in the shop waiting for a winky-wanky size Allen key to arrive so I can finish the cylinder transplant. If Ruby #1 packs up whilst Ruby #2 is still in the shop then I am knackered. However, for the time being we are still splitting steam oil into geo-stationary orbit and shifting "freight."
Peter in AZ
It sounds like you need a few beers and a day or two in the land of Staff and Ticket after working in Acronym Alley. I am afraid my mastery of railway operating systems is more in the land of semaphore signalling, manual train staffs, and loose coupled freight. My next task wil be mastering Dutch tramway signalling - that is, if there was any worth talking about!?
Of course my line is currently down to one halfway knackered 'Ruby' - which will eventually get its "shed" fitted; promise - as the other is still in the shop waiting for a winky-wanky size Allen key to arrive so I can finish the cylinder transplant. If Ruby #1 packs up whilst Ruby #2 is still in the shop then I am knackered. However, for the time being we are still splitting steam oil into geo-stationary orbit and shifting "freight."
Peter in AZ
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Dr. Bond of the DVLR
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There was a series of interesting articles in Garden Rail recently on simple and cheap signalling with Lever frames, rodding, point operated signals and manually operated signals. The cranks he made were just a right-angle triangle of thin brass with a hole in each corner. The hole in the right angle corner was for the pivot and the other two were attached to point rodding. Simple and effective.
The railway which people forgot
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Pendo Pilot
Cheers for the info Mr Bond, I must of missed them. I may welltry my local RC aircraft shop as I seem to remember they used to sell brass bellcranks for wood built planes. Probably just plastic these days though.
The box is coming along well, first time I have ever built something this way. Normally my buildings are just hewn out of thermalite blocks. Trying to make a compromise between detail/outdoor survivabilty & operational use. So far it is fitting in with that criteria. Just needs a window frame, door finishing off, bit more painting & the back wall that will be hinged & then it will be screwed down to make sure the linkages stay at the right tightness.
This is what it looks like without being bedded in, which will follow in time. I quite like it & certainly the inside shots do remind me of box life, which was half the idea. If I ever miss signalling I can stick my head in it for 20 minutes... :D :D
Location of box..
I think it fits to scale as a good size box, remember a 1to1 scale hand has to fit in to work frame so a tiddly little box was not suitable.
Need that window frame..
Floor is removable to allow access to frame underside. Also frame will come out with two screws being removed. Levers painted up for planned use. No yellow levers as fixed distants & no blue/black levers as the CVLR interlocks via slotted signal linkages....possibly.
Just having a box visit....
& yes, I do think that the brakevan may be off the road a little! :roll: ;)
The box is coming along well, first time I have ever built something this way. Normally my buildings are just hewn out of thermalite blocks. Trying to make a compromise between detail/outdoor survivabilty & operational use. So far it is fitting in with that criteria. Just needs a window frame, door finishing off, bit more painting & the back wall that will be hinged & then it will be screwed down to make sure the linkages stay at the right tightness.
This is what it looks like without being bedded in, which will follow in time. I quite like it & certainly the inside shots do remind me of box life, which was half the idea. If I ever miss signalling I can stick my head in it for 20 minutes... :D :D
Location of box..
I think it fits to scale as a good size box, remember a 1to1 scale hand has to fit in to work frame so a tiddly little box was not suitable.
Need that window frame..
Floor is removable to allow access to frame underside. Also frame will come out with two screws being removed. Levers painted up for planned use. No yellow levers as fixed distants & no blue/black levers as the CVLR interlocks via slotted signal linkages....possibly.
Just having a box visit....
& yes, I do think that the brakevan may be off the road a little! :roll: ;)
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bessytractor
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