Peter Butler wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:45 pm Good for you Dazza, I'm pleased for you but not so sure about Flash Gordon's can of beans... much prefer the Red Rocket!
Awhhh, they are now over 50 years old and much loved here in Queensland
Peter Butler wrote: ↑Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:45 pm Good for you Dazza, I'm pleased for you but not so sure about Flash Gordon's can of beans... much prefer the Red Rocket!
ah she is, and I get to start the process of learning how to be part of her life. Who would have thought I would be interested in getting in the sack with Diseasel power................
No videos, I was too busy flapping my gums.tom_tom_go wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:01 am My Riverdale boiler is similar with two large fire tubes rather than loads of small ones that take up space for water and get blocked easier.
I am very comfortable coal firing now and I didn't grow up with coal fired anything.
Great looking loco, are there any videos of it running or firing it up from cold?
The, "they are smaller than my dick so they are toys " gets a big SIGH from me!FWLR wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:56 am If I had the courage and the money I think I would go for a coal fired loco also. The courage to operate one would be a personal challenge, mainly because my older brother builds his own 3 1/2 inch and 5 inch locos and he classes our 16mm stuff has Micky Mouse. so I would love to show him that a 16mm would run and pull in relation to scale just has much as his bigger stuff.
Sorry to interrupt, but I agree with this to such an extent that I had to copy it. These are wise words, well written.Hydrostatic Dazza wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:54 amThe, "they are smaller than my dick so they are toys " gets a big SIGH from me!FWLR wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:56 am If I had the courage and the money I think I would go for a coal fired loco also. The courage to operate one would be a personal challenge, mainly because my older brother builds his own 3 1/2 inch and 5 inch locos and he classes our 16mm stuff has Micky Mouse. so I would love to show him that a 16mm would run and pull in relation to scale just has much as his bigger stuff.
All scales are toys. Ponder. If one gives some thought to the philosophy of a particular crossover point of “being a toy to not a being a toy” linked to scale then it is realised that it is a flawed concept and usually a result of subjective bias due to ignorance, justification of one’s own hobby style and or a lack of application of critical thinking on the subject. (I think it should not be a subject but……….) Does it not become a toy when the loco you make can pull you along as one sits your back side on a riding trolley with your legs hanging over the sides ? Is it a toy if you buy it, spend loads of gold coin on a big loco to impress others ? It is a typical male thing, like my dick (toy) is bigger than your dick.
Even the 12” to the foot scale locos and trains are toys post the late 1960s. Why are we involved in heritage railways, preservation, model engineering? The answer is entertainment, it is entertaining to us and gives us some satisfaction and intrinsic reward, it is a hobby. The scale of a loco or what ever has nothing to do with a perceived cross over point of toy to not being a toy. A 2 ½ loco, a 7 ¼” Big Boy loco is a toy.
I am currently on a Reciprocating Engine Course so I can be a volunteer foot plate crew at the Mary Valley Rattler railway which is soon to recommence operations. That is playing. It is my entertainment, I do not do it to earn my quid and so pay my taxes. So this is playing with “Toys”. Steam stopped paying work here on the QR network in 1969, so since then they are toys.
It is just the complexity, engineering, safety aspects, skills required, budgets, costs and infrastructure that grows exponentially with scale. (and the paper work!)
If one’s sole chosen path of professional expression ie: making steam locos or models and selling them as your sole source income then it is work and you are in the “toy /hobby industry” Just as if you worked for Airfix or Roundhouse or as a fitter on a heritage railway for your wages. One is working professionally in the Toy/hobby Industry. Heritage railways are in the entertainment business, ie: Tourism.
I agree, but when I got into the preservation world it was not to play but to preserve and educate future generations (my kids and grandchildren), so that steam trains were not just something they saw and read about in books and videos. For me the playing is a bonus.Hydrostatic Dazza wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:54 am
The, "they are smaller than my dick so they are toys " gets a big SIGH from me!
All scales are toys. Ponder. If one gives some thought to the philosophy of a particular crossover point of “being a toy to not a being a toy” linked to scale then it is realised that it is a flawed concept and usually a result of subjective bias due to ignorance, justification of one’s own hobby style and or a lack of application of critical thinking on the subject. (I think it should not be a subject but……….) Does it not become a toy when the loco you make can pull you along as one sits your back side on a riding trolley with your legs hanging over the sides ? Is it a toy if you buy it, spend loads of gold coin on a big loco to impress others ? It is a typical male thing, like my dick (toy) is bigger than your dick.
Even the 12” to the foot scale locos and trains are toys post the late 1960s. Why are we involved in heritage railways, preservation, model engineering? The answer is entertainment, it is entertaining to us and gives us some satisfaction and intrinsic reward, it is a hobby. The scale of a loco or what ever has nothing to do with a perceived cross over point of toy to not being a toy. A 2 ½ loco, a 7 ¼” Big Boy loco is a toy.
I am currently on a Reciprocating Engine Course so I can be a volunteer foot plate crew at the Mary Valley Rattler railway which is soon to recommence operations. That is playing. It is my entertainment, I do not do it to earn my quid and so pay my taxes. So this is playing with “Toys”. Steam stopped paying work here on the QR network in 1969, so since then they are toys.
It is just the complexity, engineering, safety aspects, skills required, budgets, costs and infrastructure that grows exponentially with scale. (and the paper work!)
If one’s sole chosen path of professional expression ie: making steam locos or models and selling them as your sole source income then it is work and you are in the “toy /hobby industry” Just as if you worked for Airfix or Roundhouse or as a fitter on a heritage railway for your wages. One is working professionally in the Toy/hobby Industry. Heritage railways are in the entertainment business, ie: Tourism.
Yes, you want to share this love and that means it is entertaining for you and along the journey it is giving you satisfaction and intrinsic rewards.IanC wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:27 am I agree, but when I got into the preservation world it was not to play but to preserve and educate future generations (my kids and grandchildren), so that steam trains were not just something they saw and read about in books and videos. For me the playing is a bonus.
FWLR wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:39 am It’s all very well saying that we are only playing and we are, but it’s the snobbery with other people who run/play with steam or battery locos that get my goat, even those who work/play on heritage/preservation lines I have met who won’t have anything to do with others who run the smaller scales. It’s the point of fact that we are keeping the rich history that is associated with Steam or Diesel locos that we are helping to not just educate, but also enjoy running what ever scale we use.
I for one don’t have a great deal of knowledge about the way the Railway industry ran, but since coming into the hobby at one of the smallest scales ( N Gauge ) I have now more insight into how trains changed the world all around us.
The CNC wire cutting is a good bit of technology, I used to run a wire cutter and other such types of CNC. It would make the making of your boilers and any other work you would need to do a lot more of a less stressful task.
I made this has an exercise for a course I did in programming and operating a CNC Wire Cutter.
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I honestly can’t remember why the SAPA was used for it, but it was a brilliant exercise to do because of the different radius needed to complete it.
Yes, wooden formers were considered, however I chose solid alloy because it is a stepping stone to my magnum opus in the years to come. I am following the process some other chaps have done and will used the formers to locate the wrappers for stay drilling and other machining operations. Yes, keep annealing copper and it is very malleable and keep annealing it so it does not work-harden, unseen cracks etc. I gave this some thought and other than my time, I have the materials on hand so no cost to me and the machining is interesting, but messy but all the workshops need a deep clean soon. The inner fire box former will be a tricky part to make, I am still pondering over a few different directions to make this.pandsrowe wrote: ↑Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:56 am I know this is a bit late but did you consider a wooden former but faced with a sheet of steel/ally screwed on the face to give additional strength and wear resistance? I seem to remember this was a method advocated by LBSC and others as being a lot easier if one didn't have a suitable chunk of solid metal available for the former. When I made the boiler for my Rob Roy I used pieces of oak that I cut from old furniture and with repeated annealing I was very surprised how easy it was to form the copper. It's very tempting when you have the job set up in the vice for forming to just keep on hitting with even bigger hammers but as soon as the copper stops bending easily, that could be after just two or three blows of the hammer, take the copper out and re-aneal. When I formed the firebox wrapper I was amazed to find that I was able to bend some of the copper with just using finger pressure. Of course hammer blows were required for completion but I'm trying to convey to you how soft copper really is when it is correctly anealed.
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