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Post by ace » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:00 am

Hi Guys, It has been a long time coming for me but I finally have my hands on a Roundhouse Argyll. I have wanted on for years after my following of the Cambeltown & Machrihanish Light Railway in scotland. Back in 2012 I just missed out on the Atlantics so I have had my eye constantly looking for either.

I saw this Argyll first at the Elsecar show in September 2013, and again at the Exeter Garden Railway Show in November 2013. It was on Simon Wentworth's stand and I have been emailing him ever since. I finally picked it up today and gave her a run. Sadly the R/C had packed up from being reliable so I resorted to controlling the servos by hand.

Here are some photos. I must add, it is bloody massive and weighs quite a load.

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Here is a little video

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Post by LnBmad » Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:26 am

Very nice buddy :) sure you will be very pleased once you've sorted the rc

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Post by Gremlin » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:43 am

Looks lovely but wouldn't go round my tight curves, mind you that would just mean more visits to other railways.

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Post by ace » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:03 am

Thanks folks. I really like the old girl, she runs really well. There are a couple of small things I just need to sort. Obviously change the receiver and bring her up to 2.4ghz, there seems to be a timing issue it is possible to get her to stand still in a particular position and get some blow by and also fit a chuff pipe. :)

Here are a couple of stills from the first outdoor run.

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And here is the second video.

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Post by invicta280 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:21 am

A real beauty!
Ref the livery - is that the colour Roundhouse call deep bronze
green? It is a lovely rich colour.

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Post by ace » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:53 pm

invicta280:96398 wrote:A real beauty!
Ref the livery - is that the colour Roundhouse call  deep bronze
green? It is a lovely rich colour.
Thanks :) I believe it is gamboge. I cannot see it on their colour chart any more though sadly.
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Post by invicta280 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:43 pm

No they apparently dropped Gamboge, Mid Bronze Green, and Tan.

I am planning to buy a loco from them this year and fancied that colour. Oh well never mind...
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Post by TTHLRMatt » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:36 pm

I have a fowler in gamboge and it looks quite nice

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Post by Andrew » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:43 pm

I'm vaguely thinking of getting a "Little John" - thought that would look good in gamboge, with wasp-striped bufferbeams, and ideally yellow cranks and rods too. Oh well... Nice loco by the way...

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Post by Big Jim » Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:56 pm

What a beauty. A bit of a big dear but a beauty none the less.
Any other mods planned, or just the chuffer and the RC gear?

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Post by williamfj » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:01 pm

That's a good loco you've got there, and the 1st photo of your Argyll outside is a cracker.

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Post by LMS-Jools » Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:45 pm

williamfj:96418 wrote:That's a good loco you've got there, and the 1st photo of your Argyll outside is a cracker.
I heartily agree. 8)
It shows the Loco off very nicely indeed.

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Post by ace » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:11 am

Thanks for the comments guys, I have been a bit quiet on the Argyll front lately, here is why.

As you know I troubles with the r/c, that is all fixed and upgraded to 2.4ghz now. A couple of images below.

I then discovered troubles with the motion. Basically I found that a valve was hitting the inside of the valve chest causing a seriously loud blow by that could stall the engine. Remedial work was undertaken and with a few hours of fettling, all was well once again. I wished I had taken more photographs of this stage, one or two below.

Whilst checking things over again after the adjustments, I found that one of the front wheels was giving some serious trouble with wobble. A bent wheel or axle? No, not at all. I found that the plastic insulating block for the cast wheel had a wonky hole drilled in it. I called Roundhouse and had a new pair sent down for both wheels. Unfortunately they came as blanks with no holes so I needed someone with a lathe to do the job, more on that later.

Then (and this is the best bit) did I film part three of Argyll. I was lucky enough to visit the fantastic home of Chris Bird of Summerlands Chuffers. He quickly handed me my new chuff pipe for the Argyll and within minutes it was on. Having now traced down the previous owner (David Turner of the Dingle Leigh Light Railway) he tell me that Argyll had a chuffer fitted previously and had done all the hard work for me in term s of the modifications to remove the smoke box without removing the boiler first. I had to do this with my RH Billy, but I couldn't bring myself to hack the smoke box apart.

Here comes the kindness of Chris Bird, whilst I was outside filming another loco he took it upon himself to dismantle the Argyll and press the wheels onto the new wheel bosses, turn a couple of holes on his lathe and put it all back together! Thanks Chris! :)

I did take another couple of locos and their threads will be updated accordingly. :)

So here we go with the photos.

This is the valve chest open whist adjusting it all up.

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Argyll sat 'topless', this is what you need to do to change batteries or check r/c. The cab is fixed down with three screws, very easy.

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It was just sill little things that were wrong, this shouldn't touch!

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Here you can see Billy's valve chest above Argyll's valve chest. No wonder the Roundhouse chassis builders hated them. There is only just enough room for the movement, any imperfections would cause trouble.

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I decided whilst things were going well, I'd give the Argyll a boiler flush out with some white vinegar. A lengthy 24 hour soak produced this, not too bad really!

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Then it was off outside (albeit dark) for a quick test run. The results were jaw dropping, she would hoof up the line with about as much power as a loco could need. I loaded up two well wagons with house bricks (4 of them) and she could spin easily. Once a controlled start was executed a steady speed up and down gradients was easily achievable.

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Now we move onto the interesting bit. Over at Chris Birds I took some photos in between running to see what was going on.

Here is a short video of the wonky wheel.

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All motion disconnected and front axle slid out.

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The bits box

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Here is one of the wheels being turned with the new insert having been pressed in.

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And then we move onto the video.

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Post by Marquis DeCarabas » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:58 am

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Where is this? I don't quite recognise it. Is it by the crossing of the Tomaig Road and Barley Bannocks Hill in the background - or it it near the Stewarton road?

Could it even be the halt on the Knockrioch/Westlocks Road - i.e. Lintimill Halt on the Campbeltown side of the crossing loop?

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Post by ace » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:46 pm

Marquis DeCarabas:96641 wrote:Where is this? I don't quite recognise it. Is it by the crossing of the Tomaig Road and Barley Bannocks Hill in the background - or it it near the Stewarton road?

Could it even be the halt on the Knockrioch/Westlocks Road - i.e. Lintimill Halt on the Campbeltown side of the crossing loop?
In my book it doesn't say exactly where it is. All it says is:
A single coach train awaits departure from Macrihanish, possibly for the last time, spring 1932.
Where exactly this is is anyone's guess. One thing I'd like to do is walk the railway bed, or what is left to see what could be seen from the coaches. I also would like to walk the viaduct. :)
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Post by Marquis DeCarabas » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:22 pm

Hmm.

This is where we're lucky: Google Streetview goes onto the site of Machrihanish station - behind the Ugadale Hotel. You can still see the gateway from the 'platform' through to the hotel.

If the picture is of Machrihanish, then the engine is pointing in the other direction to normal - the hill is on the wrong side.

Of course, with the triangle up to the coal rees then anything goes, but I'd need a lot of convincing to say that this is Machrihanish - unless it is on the seaward track at the very end by the bufferstops and the engine was chimney towards Campeltown.

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Post by Chris Cairns » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:17 pm

Marquis DeCarabas wrote:unless it is on the seaward track at the very end by the bufferstops and the engine was chimney towards Campeltown.
I would agree that that is what we see here. Here is an extract of a 1921 map showing the topography around the station - http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/ ... p?id=33498

And there is a postcard of the station here but looking in the opposite direction - http://spellerweb.net/rhindex/UKRH/Othe ... ltown.html

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Post by ace » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:05 pm

Do you know what guys, I have absolutely no idea where you are talking about. All I know is I love the line, the locos and want to walk it some day. :)

I had a bit of a play today whilst doing other projects. I found this beautiful photo of Argyll (if my train spotting detail is correct) on the demolition train at Limescraigs in 1934, and decided to re create the photo, in my own way.

Scanned from my book

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Here is my Argyll on the construction train at the RHLR, quite the reverse roll than the above.

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Post by Chris Cairns » Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:25 pm

Ace,

Your caption said awaits departure from Machrihanish. Thus the train must be at the western end of the line and on the northern track, with the photographer looking towards the south west.

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Last year saw the start of a ferry service to Campbeltown from Ardrossan which runs 3 days a week, an alternative to the rather long drive via Argyll & Kintyre particularly when the landslides hit the Rest and be Thankful section (7 times in the last 5 years!).

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Post by Andrew » Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:41 pm

How does one pronounce Machrihanish? Mack-ree-han-ish? Always wondered... Not as much as I've wondered about some of the names of places served by Irish lines mind you...

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