16mm 32mm bias

[pauly]

I dont understand why almost every 16mm modeller who models 2 foot with 32mm is so bloody bias, I thought we modelled a scale not a gauge!

I model 16mm but to a 3 foot scale because I dont like how ungainly most generic steam models look on 32mm yes Im constantly being told my gauge isnt the right 1 and have old over opinionated b*****ds who think themselves magically superior turns their noses up at me at shows when I mention the gauge I run on!
Even our Admin has had this sort of crap and Im pretty sick of it now!

16mm is a scale not a gauge!

[andysleigh]

the majority of hardcore 16mm scale moddellers model 16mm scale 2 foot gauge.
The majority of railways, locos etc were 2ft gauge.  16mm, 32mm gauge.
Some believe that if that loco was 2ft, it should be on 32mm rails, even if the locos are slightly overscale.

some associate 45mm with LGB, plastic, stuff, which is far from their tastes.

32mm is more common, and more 16mm scale things come 32mm. It opens more doors.

[pauly]

the majority of hardcore 16mm scale moddellers model 16mm scale 2 foot gauge.
The majority of railways, locos etc were 2ft gauge.  16mm, 32mm gauge.
Some believe that if that loco was 2ft, it should be on 32mm rails, even if the locos are slightly overscale.

some associate 45mm with LGB, plastic, stuff, which is far from their tastes.

32mm is more common, and more 16mm scale things come 32mm. It opens more doors.

so that gives them the right to act like p***ks to all those who dare to be different or original?

[andysleigh]

the majority of hardcore 16mm scale moddellers model 16mm scale 2 foot gauge.
The majority of railways, locos etc were 2ft gauge.  16mm, 32mm gauge.
Some believe that if that loco was 2ft, it should be on 32mm rails, even if the locos are slightly overscale.

some associate 45mm with LGB, plastic, stuff, which is far from their tastes.

32mm is more common, and more 16mm scale things come 32mm. It opens more doors.

so that gives them the right to act like pricks to all those who dare to be different or original?

i'm sure they arent saying it in a total p***k way.
A bit of a joke.

[pauly]

the majority of hardcore 16mm scale moddellers model 16mm scale 2 foot gauge.
The majority of railways, locos etc were 2ft gauge.  16mm, 32mm gauge.
Some believe that if that loco was 2ft, it should be on 32mm rails, even if the locos are slightly overscale.

some associate 45mm with LGB, plastic, stuff, which is far from their tastes.

32mm is more common, and more 16mm scale things come 32mm. It opens more doors.

so that gives them the right to act like pricks to all those who dare to be different or original?

i'm sure they arent saying it in a total prick way.
A bit of a joke.

yeah well its a joke thats getting really old really quick!

[andysleigh]

the majority of hardcore 16mm scale moddellers model 16mm scale 2 foot gauge.
The majority of railways, locos etc were 2ft gauge.  16mm, 32mm gauge.
Some believe that if that loco was 2ft, it should be on 32mm rails, even if the locos are slightly overscale.

some associate 45mm with LGB, plastic, stuff, which is far from their tastes.

32mm is more common, and more 16mm scale things come 32mm. It opens more doors.

so that gives them the right to act like pricks to all those who dare to be different or original?

i'm sure they arent saying it in a total prick way.
A bit of a joke.

yeah well its a joke thats getting really old really quick!

mahhh

its jsut one of those things that will stick around in the 16mm community.

i am sure the 45millers say the same about 32millers

[hussra]

i am sure the 45millers say the same about 32millers

It definitely works both ways. A few months ago I was told I shouldn't be running on 32mm here in Solihull because it was "G Scale Society territory"!

[Pendo Pilot]

I consider all gauges 32mm, 45mm whatever when I think of the term 16mm, not biased at all by it. I joke with people like Zach & Greg about 45mm & will refer to it as broad gauge etc. But it's just that, a joke with nothing intended & I expect & do recieve the same back in the same light hearted manner.
As has been said already the whole problem with 45mm in most peoples views is LGB. Not that theres anything wrong with LGB, it's just something that I find a bit toy like (Not the whole range, just some). I have met a few LGB fanatics & was not impressed with their attitude of everything should be bought & run straight out of the box regardless of cost & the idea of building anything is a mystery to them. But I'm sure they were a minority.

I couldnt care what gauge it is, it's doesnt even have to be narrow gauge as I like standard as well & treat people the same regardless.
To be honest Pauly don't let it bother you, it happens in all walks of life. I was talking to a land rover owner at a 4x4 show years ago, we chatted for almost an hour about 4x4 stuff. Eventually he asked what "rover" I had, I replied I didn't, I have a Jeep. He instantly went from chatty man to moody bearded twunt & walked off without saying anything....I could of got miffed at that but to be honest if that was how he deals with stuff then I would rather laugh at his shallowness... Seems to work in many different scenarios that mate.

[DLRdan]

I think that alot of the popularity of 32mm is due to a certain live steam train set that was released in the 1980's.

[Dr. Bond of the DVLR]

I like to fight the sterio type by not having any thing LGB. The new railway I am building is designed to look as Narrow Gauge as possible. I have been subject to some gauge-ism which is light hearted on here. At lechfan, however I failed to explain to one chap that modelling a 2ft 9 and 3/4 inch railway on 32mm gauge is ridiculous!
In some circumstances light banter is good for one's soul and mentality!
I don't think anyone could really call this broad gauge seriously!

And yes, the check rails are the wrong way round...

[Pendo Pilot]

Nice bit of Brunels finest there Zach...

Oh & sort out your check rails you muppet.

[Sir haydn]

45mm is more continental and when modelling at 1:24 scale works out well to model metre gauge railways. When you move over to 16mm scale 1:19 the gauge is useful to model 3ft gauge railways, so people like john cambell and neil ramsey use it. When modelling a welsh outline railway people latch onto the fact that many uk narrow gauge lines are 2ft gauge and model on 32mm. Now prototypical modeling seems to be quite popular more people model the welsh 2ft lines.
Its not that 45mm is any worse its just less practical when uk prototypes are involved.
Welshpool and Llanfair modellers should really be using 45mm gauge

[Sir Clothem Cap]

It Dosn't matter what scale or gauge you model just enjoy it and if someone else does a different gauge or scale enjoy the difference
I mix mine I have 16mmm and mainline steam, battery,and electric.
Its your railway enjoy and don't forget to add a smiley to banter

[MDLR]

This has been going on Elsewhere for absolutely ages - the phrases used there (without malice) are The One True Gauge and Of The Broad Persuasion. The first one was coined by Colin Binnie (God rest his soul) who often joked about it - here's one of his droodles!

[Crackingjob]

Apart from the torrets Pauly I know how you feel...yes I do 32mm BUT I have no problem re 45mm and have stuff to run on both...but I am often castigated as I do not do the 'serious' but AWNUTS and even then not even true to that faith.

The whole point is to enjoy, make friends, be part of a FUN hobby

and always remember ITS YOUR RAILWAY AND YOU'LL RUN IT YOUR WAY....which is what everyone has always done

Crackingjob

ps try 7-8ths??? 1/12th or ..........something like Mr Bruce Bates of Birdwater/AWNUTS fame

[MuzTrem]

I have to say I've never actually heard anyone express these prejudices. One does sometimes read them in 16mm Today or on these forums, but I am sure in most cases it is meant as banter - although without the use of smileys, it sometimes hard to tell!

I've recently joined the G-Scale society as well as the 16mm association, so I really do have a foot in both camps! I know 2' gauge was more common in Britian, and 32mm is more appropriate for that. Nevertheless, there are a number of very attractive 2'6" and 3' prototypes to choose from - Welshpool, Leek and Manifold, Southwold, Isle of Man, Ireland, the Northamptonshire ironstone lines - I could go on), and it is a shame that these are often either ignored or modelled on 32mm.

The downside of the G-scale world, on the other hand, is that there is less emphasis on live steam. I've nothing against LGB or electrics - I started with an LGB starter set, and still use the rolling stock - but live steam was what first inspired me to move into the garden and it will always be my first love. I think there is a perception that G-scale is a bit more toy-like, and often it is. But at the end of the day, the objective is still the same: run trains and have fun!

[Dr. Bond of the DVLR]

2'6" and 3' prototypes to choose from - Welshpool, Leek and Manifold, Southwold, Isle of Man, Ireland, the Northamptonshire ironstone lines

You're forgetting both the Westwood and Loscoe and the Deben Valley, both perfect for modelling in 45mm gauge...

On an interesting note and as a HUGE generalisation I find that G scale modellers are less accustomed to making stock and locomotives where 16mmers will do so and do so very well. (My granddad is G scale through and through and will only BUY stock...)
But G scalers seem to be really really good at making buildings and make alot of them. I am useless at buildings and you see IN GENERAL fewer buildings on 16mm scale lines aside from stations and related paraphernalia. There are of course many delightful exceptions to this rule.

[thorpey]

well then all off you how about modeling some north wales narrow gauge?
Don't for get the padarn railway which with thanks to g scale modelers at grs you can build scale 4 foot on 64mm track this is narrow gauge!
Some of the leading lights in the 16mm society modeled in more than one gauge think compton down 16.5mm 32mm & 45mm for a few.
Steve

[bessytractor]

oh, this again.

this goes on throughout the ENTIRE model railway (toy train  :twisted: ) community.  

OO VS EM
EM VS P4
32mm VS 45mm
7 1/4" VS 10 1/4"
N gauge VS 2mm scale
O gauge VS scale seven


it also goes on in many walks of life (i.e. football teams)  Just grin and bear it and enjoy playing trains.

I can think of much worse things people have ripped me about and that I've had to endure than a difference in mm.

[made-in-england]

Cant think of anything worse than people moaning about the bloody gauges... get on and play trains!