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Coal fired Project based on DJB boiler kit/Edrig chassis

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:41 am
by grumpfuttock
I haven't been here for a long while, but I thought I would just post an update of my coal fired project.
I got the DJB Cedrig boiler kit a few years ago and an Accucraft Edrig chassis. I spent ages trying to find a suitable British prototype loco to base it on, but none seemed to fit my needs. I needed a good bit of room for R/C as I am unable to trot along after a loco. That meant servo control of the blower as well. I also wanted to extend the rear of the footplate so that there was room for a driver and fireman. Fitting a rear pony truck under the extended footplate would have been a problem due to the depth of the firebox.

 After nearly 4 years of thumbing through narrow gauge books, and old loco manufactures catalogues, I was one day looking through my old "Garden Railway World" magazines and came across some drawings for an American Forney loco. I have always had a soft spot for the Forney loco's. I had a minor "eureka" moment.
Just for fun I scanned the drawings and increased the size to 16mm scale. I suddenly realised that the drive axles, wheel diameter and cylinders (size and position) of the Forney in the side elevation drawing, were pretty well spot on with the Edrig chassis, not only that, the boiler was the same length and the smokebox too. The only drawback was that the chassis was not bar frames, and the DJB smokebox was nothing like an American smokebox, so I tried to put it out of my mind !

However it niggled at me, especailly as the large rear bunker and cab would give me a good bit of room. I loaded the side elevation drawing into Paintshop Pro and made some adjustments by altering the smokebox to the one I had ( I had considered making a new smokebox, but chickened out). After a few modifications I found I had created a freelance Forney with a fantasy history of once being a Manning Wardle 0-4-0 which had been "Forny-fied" by a crazed previous owner.

So a couple of years ago I finally got started loosely working from the modified side elevation drawing!  :D
One of my main wishes was having a good capacity of water. I had originally intended to build a saddle tank,  but have since decided to try using a water tank in the bunker as it gives a larger capacity, I can always change it later ! The coal will be stored in the bunker in a removable container (mini oblong coal scuttle) which when removed will give me room to shovel in the coal.

Here are a few pics of progress over the past 2 years.

Chassis and added frame for bunker, and a rather crude and basic rear bogie.
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The bunker floor is in place, cab cut out, and bogie attached. a spring at each side of the bogie keeps the rear of the loco centralised on curves. It can go through standard Peco 45mm turnouts without problems.
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Cab nearly finished and fitted to footplate.
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Bunker sides completed and fitted. I went somewhat beserk with the rivet detail, and ended up removing a few rows after this photo was taken. Drilling all those holes and soldering brass pins was great fun !!!!!
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The bunker is now nearly finished, just a little more horizontal rivet detail to add at the bottom and top edges of the bunker. The reversing servo has also been fitted, and the blower valve has been modified for the addition of a servo lever.
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And this is how it is looking today. Next job is the water tank and piping, then fitting the rest of the RC. I hope to get it finished by the end of this summer, but I said the same thing last year !!!!
:lol:
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Re: Coal fired Project based on DJB boiler kit/ Edrig chassi

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:20 am
by kandnwlr
grumpfuttock:98585 wrote:I haven't been here for a long while, but I thought I would just post an update of my coal fired project.
I got the DJB Cedrig boiler kit a few years ago and an Accucraft Edrig chassis. I spent ages trying to find a suitable British prototype loco to base it on, but none seemed to fit my needs. I needed a good bit of room for R/C as I am unable to trot along after a loco. That meant servo control of the blower as well. I also wanted to extend the rear of the footplate so that there was room for a driver and fireman. Fitting a rear pony truck under the extended footplate would have been a problem due to the depth of the firebox.

 After nearly 4 years of thumbing through narrow gauge books, and old loco manufactures catalogues, I was one day looking through my old "Garden Railway World" magazines and came across some drawings for an American Forney loco. I have always had a soft spot for the Forney loco's. I had a minor "eureka" moment.
Just for fun I scanned the drawings and increased the size to 16mm scale. I suddenly realised that the drive axles, wheel diameter and cylinders (size and position) of the Forney in the side elevation drawing, were pretty well spot on with the Edrig chassis, not only that, the boiler was the same length and the smokebox too. The only drawback was that the chassis was not bar frames, and the DJB smokebox was nothing like an American smokebox, so I tried to put it out of my mind !

However it niggled at me, especailly as the large rear bunker and cab would give me a good bit of room. I loaded the side elevation drawing into Paintshop Pro and made some adjustments by altering the smokebox to the one I had ( I had considered making a new smokebox, but chickened out). After a few modifications I found I had created a freelance Forney with a fantasy history of once being a Manning Wardle 0-4-0 which had been "Forny-fied" by a crazed previous owner.

So a couple of years ago I finally got started loosely working from the modified side elevation drawing!  :D
One of my main wishes was having a good capacity of water. I had originally intended to build a saddle tank,  but have since decided to try using a water tank in the bunker as it gives a larger capacity, I can always change it later ! The coal will be stored in the bunker in a removable container (mini oblong coal scuttle) which when removed will give me room to shovel in the coal.

Here are a few pics of progress over the past 2 years.

Chassis and added frame for bunker, and a rather crude and basic rear bogie.]

The bunker floor is in place, cab cut out, and bogie attached. a spring at each side of the bogie keeps the rear of the loco centralised on curves. It can go through standard Peco 45mm turnouts without problems.

Bunker sides completed and fitted. I went somewhat beserk with the rivet detail, and ended up removing a few rows after this photo was taken. Drilling all those holes and soldering brass pins was great fun !!!!!]

The bunker is now nearly finished, just a little more horizontal rivet detail to add at the bottom and top edges of the bunker. The reversing servo has also been fitted, and the blower valve has been modified for the addition of a servo lever.

And this is how it is looking today. Next job is the water tank and piping, then fitting the rest of the RC. I hope to get it finished by the end of this summer, but I said the same thing last year !!!!
:lol:

This is looking excellent. Looking forward to seeing some photos of where you fit the R/C.

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:39 pm
by tom_tom_go
Excellent effort and thanks for sharing.

I am interested in how easy it is going to be for you to tend the fire with the cab on (you did mention it can be easily removed).

Please keep us updated on progress.

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 8:28 pm
by laalratty
Wow, excellent to see this project going forward, I remember when this first appeared on here, as the first member to go for coal firing! Good to see the project isn't dead, and hopefully drawing towards a conclusion. The result you've achieved is certainly different to what I thought it would be at the time, but it looks very good, and I hope you do manage to steam it this year :)

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 10:49 pm
by Keith S
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Re: Coal fired Project based on DJB boiler kit/ Edrig chassi

Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:53 pm
by grumpfuttock
kandnwlr:98588 wrote:
This is looking excellent. Looking forward to seeing some photos of where you fit the R/C.
Thank you kandnwlr, when the radio is installed I will take a photo of the installation for you. I will be fitting a platform above the regulator housing which will hold the servos for the regulator and the blower, in much the same way as the regulator servo on my Accucraft "Lyn" which is shown below. This way the servos are "up in the roof" and not really visible through the windows. There is just room to fit the 2 servos on the platform. I am crossing my fingers that the blower valve does not need to be opened up more than the servo and linkage can provide ! The receiver will be hidden away in a toolbox on the footplate in front of the cab, and the batteries housed in the bunker.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:20 am
by grumpfuttock
tom_tom_go:98607 wrote:Excellent effort and thanks for sharing.

I am interested in how easy it is going to be for you to tend the fire with the cab on (you did mention it can be easily removed).

Please keep us updated on progress.
The firing was something I was a bit concerned about too, especially with such a "closed" cab, also access to the bypass and water gauge blowdown valves. But I can manage to operate the valve sticking my fingers through the windows and door. The cab is held in place by 6 x 6BA bolts. I have had some dry runs at shoveling coal into the firebox with the cab fixed, through the space where the coal would usually be stored in the bunker, thus the removable coal container which can be placed beside the loco or hand held. The DJB shovel needed a bit of modification though (bending the shaft in other words :lol: )

I will just have to be careful not to set fire to the wooden cab !

I will indeed keep you posted, when significant progress is made.

BTW I have enjoyed you post on "Smokey Sophie", really nice work and I am glad it runs so well.

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:20 am
by MDLR
*Innocent smile* Are you going to call it KATE??

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:28 am
by grumpfuttock
laalratty:98610 wrote:Wow, excellent to see this project going forward, I remember when this first appeared on here, as the first member to go for coal firing! Good to see the project isn't dead, and hopefully drawing towards a conclusion. The result you've achieved is certainly different to what I thought it would be at the time, but it looks very good, and I hope you do manage to steam it this year  :)
It has turned out a bit different to my original sketch and idea that I posted on here a long, long time ago ! You have a good memory sir ! :lol:

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:58 am
by grumpfuttock
MDLR:98636 wrote:*Innocent smile* Are you going to call it KATE??
Equally innocent and puzzled question... "why KATE", Brian. :?

Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:04 am
by MDLR
grumpfuttock:98640 wrote:
MDLR:98636 wrote:*Innocent smile* Are you going to call it KATE??
Equally innocent and puzzled question... "why KATE", Brian. :?
Because it's a Forney - Kate.............................. ??

(Pauses for groans from other Forum members)

Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:11 am
by grumpfuttock
MDLR:98644 wrote:
grumpfuttock:98640 wrote:
MDLR:98636 wrote:*Innocent smile* Are you going to call it KATE??
Equally innocent and puzzled question... "why KATE", Brian. :?
Because it's a Forney - Kate.............................. ??

(Pauses for groans from other Forum members)
A big groan from this one too. I knew I shouldn't have asked :lol: