Time to build a railway...but where?

[Jerry]

Hello Jimmyb.

I do not have a web site as such as I do these kits more for fun rather than as a buisness for profit..
However I do have a FLICKR PAGE that shows all my models /kits / accesories..
its here :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/107486657 ... 8655086333

If you drop me an email Then I will send you a current price list that sort of ties in with the FLICKR PAGE..
My email is : jerry.irwin@homecall.co.uk

Bye..

[Peter Butler]

Thank you Jerry for answering Jimmyb's enquiry, you managed to get there first!
The tipper is finished and has been introduced to its new home on the railway. It seems to have settled in very well, although has yet to see the entire line in daylight, and without natural hazards which have overtaken the track.
Here it is in more familiar surroundings.....
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And to show size comparison with a standard 'V' tipper....
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[Andrew]

That's VERY impressive, and most attractive too - congratulations to both of you!

I was surprised to see how small it is - you're right Peter, it would look just right in a quarry. Are you planning to build another half dozen or so, a whole rake would look great...

Andrew

[gilfachphil]

That really is an extraordinary vehicle, but another superb kit from Jerry. What was the prototype for it?

Phil

[Peter Butler]

Thanks Andrew, I'm so pleased you approve. It is a wonderful model and I find it curiously attractive too.... firstly because it is unusual and should draw attention, but secondly because it is a satisfying mechanical design to perform a menial function. I also agree a rake of these would look great in the right environment, which is not my priority on the BURPS, and which, as a tourist/preservation line, only needs examples of rolling stock to show the history and development of my fictional railway. I like to build different items of stock to add to the collection, so one is usually sufficient.

[Peter Butler]

Phil, I believe the prototype side tipper wagons originated from USA, but I haven't found anything on the internet to identify makers. Perhaps Jerry can offer his source of construction details?

[Andrew]

I like to build different items of stock to add to the collection, so one is usually sufficient.

I thought you'd say that! I'm the same, really - I'm currently focusing on a rake of WHR slate wagons, but will be modelling different variants so that no two are quite the same...

[Peter Butler]

Keep them coming Andrew.... I love them!

[philipy]

I also agree a rake of these would look great in the right environment, which is not my priority on the BURPS,

I must admit that when I first saw this a few days ago, my first thought was of a short rake to put behind my Contractors Loco (which, believe it or not, is finally within a whisker of being finished!), but amazing as it is, it simply doesn't look "British". I can't imagine these tippers being at home on the King George V Reservoir in Edwardian Chingford.

[Andrew]

it simply doesn't look "British". I can't imagine these tippers being at home on the King George V Reservoir in Edwardian Chingford.

I think I recall seeing our Australian and US friends running similar models - Bachmann in origin, possibly??

[Peter Butler]

During conversation with Jerry he has mentioned Bachmann as a possible manufacturer, although only in RTR format, and three times the price!

[ge_rik]

Although they were of US origin, they were found in the ironstone quarries in the UK. I seem to recall seeing photos of wooden narrow gauge versions running on the ironstone railways but not yet tracked any down.

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[ge_rik]

Best I've been able to find so far (not quite the same design though) ....

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[Jerry]

Hi Phil and Peter,

Peter,
What a wondefull job you have done on the Tipper.....extraordinary...
Did you paint strapping before or after fitting ?

Phil,
The Tipper came about as a request from a good friend and 16 mm modeler. ( he knows I like a challenge !! )
It is based on the USA Tipper as produced by Bachman in 45 mm ( google 'bachmann side dump wagon' )

Please correct me if I am wrong but some of these were imported from USA to Wales to help with the WAR effort ..
Apparently these sell for in excess of £100.00.....

Many 16mm modelers buy theses and then convert wheels to 32 mm...

[Peter Butler]

Jerry, thank you for clarifying the details of the dump wagon kit inspiration, I much prefer your version as the mechanism looks more in scale with the model.
I did attach the strapping first on this kit and painted it after applying primer, base coat and dry brushing the model. I then applied a weathering colour wash. I wouldn't normally work this way but decided it would be easier this time.
Not responsible for suggesting this kit to Jerry ..... only wish I had!

[Lonsdaler]

It's certainly a lovely model, but I can't help thinking that it's a bit complicated (or do I mean technical?) for British narrow gauge, where everything seems to usually be based on 'KISS'. Not a criticism of the model, designer or builder by the way - just an observation.

[Peter Butler]

I can see your angle on this point Phil but narrow gauge lines have frequently varied in the nature of their running stock from the outset. Many of the tourist/ passenger lines tried to attract customers with beautifully painted and decorated carriages, far above and beyond their basic requirements, and likewise, goods and mineral wagons were constructed to make them as efficient as possible to increase revenue, even if the financial outlay was increased.
If these tippers were in fact introduced during or after WW2, along with various locomotives from USA, then I have no problem in seeing them on UK lines.

[Lonsdaler]

I can see your angle on this point Phil but narrow gauge lines have frequently varied in the nature of their running stock from the outset. Many of the tourist/ passenger lines tried to attract customers with beautifully painted and decorated carriages, far above and beyond their basic requirements, and likewise, goods and mineral wagons were constructed to make them as efficient as possible to increase revenue, even if the financial outlay was increased.
If these tippers were in fact introduced during or after WW2, along with various locomotives from USA, then I have no problem in seeing them on UK lines.

Point(s) taken Peter. I was thinking more of the pinch penny industrial lines - but if 'cheap' rolling stock became available then it absolutely makes sense that it would be put to use. Waste not, want not etc.

[Peter Butler]

Meanwhile.... another kit has passed through the BURPS works, this time a restoration job.. of sorts!
I have previously mentioned the Brandbright kit I bought from eBay. My original plan was to follow the instructions as recommended at the time, but I chickened out having realised I couldn't make it work the way I am used to. On page 185 of this thread I already mentioned my intention to replace the original overlays with laser-cut MDF ones, which turned out to be satisfactory for one side only as the opposite side differed slightly. In those early days it seems the windows were marked out by hand, drilled in four corners, sawn between the holes etc... I see now why the pressed card overlays were produced as short sections to cope with such variation.
So.... plan 'B'.
Build a grounded, restored carriage, currently used as private dwelling.....

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Only one side and one end have overlays and the others are covered with plasticard cladding and planking effect...

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The pitched roof has 'slate' effect plasticard...

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And the windows have 'lace' curtains...

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Porch supports are doll house stair fittings and the whole thing stands on wooden sleepers...

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Having done the work I now have nowhere to site it, so it has appeared on eBay.

[ge_rik]

I'm sure it'll soon be snapped up, Peter.

Rik