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drewzero1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:06 pm did indeed find a book by that name, author Ernest F Carter. There are a few copies for sale online--

EF Carter was a well known author back in the 1950's. I'm sure I inherited a couple of his books from my dad, but no dea where they went to.

ge_rik wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 8:45 am One advantage of modelling so-called ugly locos might be that they are a lot easier to build, as in this case ....


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Well somebody's gotta do it! Almost looks like a converted caboose?

dudeface wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:56 am

drewzero1 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 2:53 am I can only imagine some ungainly logging train:
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The more I look at it the more horrendous it looks. But no less interesting and I would still like to see a model of it!

Bit like this one at Mt Washington Cog Railway but the other way round.

That's what I was thinking, I wonder why that was done, maybe it was to improve draft or something?

dudeface wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:04 pm That's what I was thinking, I wonder why that was done, maybe it was to improve draft or something?

To keep the water in the boiler level or covering the firebox.

GAP wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:03 am

dudeface wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 10:04 pm That's what I was thinking, I wonder why that was done, maybe it was to improve draft or something?

To keep the water in the boiler level or covering the firebox.

I know why it was done on the cog railways, I meant the pole road loco.

On the thread where I found it, someone suggested it was indeed to improve draft, and also that it was an odd feature on something that wasn't a rack loco. I have seen a particular make of traction engines use the same kind of slanted boiler, can't remember which it was though.

One of these? I can't seem to find anything that says what it is. It looks like it has a builders plate on the side but between the photo quality and those pipes I can't read it. ? ltd., ?, Basingstoke, England I think.

Edit: Never mind, that would be the company that owned it. No hope at all of reading the plate on the smokebox door.

Yes, it appears to be a Wallis & Stevens 'Simplicity' road roller, just what I was apparently thinking of. Seems like a nice compact unit with the slant boiler, maybe a distant ancestor to the space-saving SAAB slant-four?

So was I right then about the plate on the side being the builder?

dudeface wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 2:25 pm So was I right then about the plate on the side being the builder?

Yes.
This link shows a very similar plate. Same wording but rectangular rather than lozenge shape.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-sign- ... 05474.html

I see. It didn't look like any builders plate I've seen before.

Wallis & Steevens were primarily agricultural machinery and traction engine manufacturers, not railway engine builders, thats probably why you've not come across them before.

philipy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2023 4:16 pm Wallis & Steevens were primarily agricultural machinery and traction engine manufacturers, not railway engine builders, thats probably why you've not come across them before.

I've heard of them, as I'm also interested in traction engines, as well as really anything that moves. I just didn't put the two together.

This thread now has over 1000 views! Boing?!

Surely this loco would keep Marc awake at night?...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gE8XLQ44_E

I like that one Peter

This clip turned up next and I do rather like the other one as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npk6RFkM7fU

They are both interesting but I think the wooden cab loco is possibly the one I would choose to model. My list is growing longer every day!!!

Wow, I thought to post one of those as my first suggestion, but thought they looked too normal! Maybe I've just been reading too much of Boulton's Siding and am getting desensitized to ugly locos?

philipy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:06 pm I like that one Peter

This clip turned up next and I do rather like the other one as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npk6RFkM7fU

That one's a Falk, Marc reviewed a model of one by Wuhu here. https://www.trains.com/grw/news-reviews ... ocomotive/

I think he would actually like these, he likes to model unusual locomotives, so I wouldn't exactly expect him to call a locomotive hideous, but people's brains work in strange ways...