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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by FWLR » Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:22 am

Nice video that Phil. :thumbright: Mollie doesn't seem that bothered though... :lol: :lol:

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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by ge_rik » Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:29 am

I'm a sucker for clickety clack. A very attractive looking and sounding train.

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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by Trevor Thompson » Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:08 pm

ge_rik wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:29 am I'm a sucker for clickety clack. A very attractive looking and sounding train.

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Thanks for the complement! It has taken a while to get those carriages to run properly, but I am satisfied with the result.

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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by gilfachphil » Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:14 am

With grateful thanks to Trevor, ace 3D print maker, there are now running in boards for the new station. They are double sided, two prints for each glued back to back using two part epoxy with a 6" nail for the upright. They were then edge filled with Perfect Plastic Putty, sprayed white and the black infilled between the letters. The latter operation took several goes as if done for too long at a time the error rate became too high! I then went over the errors with white paint.

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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by philipy » Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:21 pm

That all looks very good Phil. The straight lengths put my "not quite" straights to shame. :D
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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by Old Man Aaron » Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:42 pm

Nails would have to be one of the most versatile objects out there. :thumbup:
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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by gilfachphil » Tue Feb 27, 2024 6:04 pm

philipy wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:21 pm That all looks very good Phil. The straight lengths put my "not quite" straights to shame. :D
Thanks Philip,

The straight bits were done with a one metre steel ruler as a guide,

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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by gilfachphil » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:21 pm

Being a sunny Sunday morning a couple of trains felt possible, first however it was necessary to correct some humps in the platform surface which arise when it gets warm.




Trefor did some circuits with the Plateway Models balcony coaches and milkvan. These are fresh humps!




Then Clara came out to play with the Ffestiniog wagons.

As can be seen in some of the videos the platform raised some more humps. Extra pins were added to flatten them out so the spacing interval is now about 50mm. Will have to see whether that works OK. The second Clara video is after the extra pins. The recycled plastic does seem to expand quite a lot.

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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by Peter Butler » Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:52 pm

Such a shame Phil, the expansion is quite pronounced in just a few degrees of raised temperature. The summer heat is likely to create further damage.
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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by philipy » Sun Mar 10, 2024 5:02 pm

At a guess, the expansion problems are a variation on the problems that some Filcris users have reported. Most notably Andrew SVLR.
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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by gilfachphil » Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:47 am

I am hoping that by reducing the space between fixings the humps will become more of a minor ripple! Time will tell.

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Post by Trevor Thompson » Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:28 am

gilfachphil wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:47 am I am hoping that by reducing the space between fixings the humps will become more of a minor ripple! Time will tell.

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I wonder if you are taking the right approach to the expansion. Could the problem have been made worse by the nails preventing the plastic from expanding? A clue might be to see if the nails lift out easily when it is rippled.

I think you might be better allowing it to expand. What about slots under the pins you use to hold it down so that it can expand under the pins. You might need washers of course.



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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by Phil.P » Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:14 pm

Nature, and physics, will always win..

I think you should let the platform have room to 'breath', as once we get some proper sun, I think it will damage itself?

Is there a thin surface, to the platform, or is it 'solid' plastics?

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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by Peter Butler » Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:15 pm

How about removing the nails and letting it expand to its max, then pinning it down again?
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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by gilfachphil » Mon Mar 11, 2024 1:55 pm

Phil.P wrote: Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:14 pm Nature, and physics, will always win..

I think you should let the platform have room to 'breath', as once we get some proper sun, I think it will damage itself?

Is there a thin surface, to the platform, or is it 'solid' plastics?

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it's 3mm thick and on top of uPVC sheet offcuts.


I wonder if you are taking the right approach to the expansion. Could the problem have been made worse by the nails preventing the plastic from expanding? A clue might be to see if the nails lift out easily when it is rippled.

I think you might be better allowing it to expand. What about slots under the pins you use to hold it down so that it can expand under the pins. You might need washers of course.


The problem with allowing it to move is that there are fixed points within it. I guess I could cut expansion slots across the platform either side of the bits that need to stay fixed, but that might look unsightly.

I have more of the material so if this bit is ruined I can try another method with the remaining stuff.

Thanks for the suggestions,

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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by gilfachphil » Mon Mar 11, 2024 5:28 pm

A few minutes with Henry hoover and very gentle use of a scraper lead to this:-
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The edging which had taken so long to apply in the first place was mostly cracked and loose so had to come off.

Extra pins were applied in a number of places.

I'll now see what happens - it has two chances!

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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by Old Man Aaron » Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:49 am

Off-topic, but there's something very satisfying about how the track is laid out in that last photo. :scratch: :thumbup:
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Re: Yr Hen Felin & Yr Orsaf Newydd

Post by gilfachphil » Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:55 pm

Old Man Aaron wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:49 am Off-topic, but there's something very satisfying about how the track is laid out in that last photo. :scratch: :thumbup:
Well thanks Aaron,

off topic compliments always appreciated

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