Garden Railway Forum

To lend weight to a 'discussion' I am having on another forum, could you complete a little survey so I can gather some real data?

I've created it with Google Forms which might require you to log in via your Google account but rest assured no personal data will be accumulated (by me - though I can't couch for Google)

https://forms.gle/2UV9r39qUJTRnmWo9

Rik

Done.
What is the argum...sorry, discussion about?

Basically, he is anti battery RC and pro track powered DCC. Among other things, he is insisting that you need one charger per loco so that during a running session you can recharge all your locos at the same time when they run out of juice. I (and others) insist you only need one charger for all your locos. He also insists that DCC works out to be cheaper than battery RC ... and .... and ...

See https://elmassian.com/index.php/large-s ... your-power

Rik

ge_rik wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:03 pm Basically, he is anti battery RC and pro track powered DCC. Among other things, he is insisting that you need one charger per loco so that during a running session you can recharge all your locos at the same time when they run out of juice. I (and others) insist you only need one charger for all your locos. He also insists that DCC works out to be cheaper than battery RC ... and .... and ...

See https://elmassian.com/index.php/large-s ... your-power

Rik

Rik,
I would recommend that you cease engaging with that person, he is notorious for that and other arguments on various forums (in fact he has been banned from Large Scale Central because of his argumentative attitude).
He has been arguing that track powered DCC is superior to batteries from well before I started in G scale over 10 years ago.
I think he considers himself the font of all knowledge when it comes to DCC and battery power.
I have seen him in action on 3 forums and just hope he does not discover this one.
My personal feeling is that you will just be wasting your time engaging with him.

ge_rik wrote: ↑Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:03 pm Basically, he is anti battery RC and pro track powered DCC.

My advice is the same as GAP's.


The following relevant quote is usually attributed to Mark Twain.........

"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

It goes back a lot further though. There is something similar in the Bible (Proverbs 26:4) and it may well have first appeared in cuneiform on a clay tablet.

Regards,
Graeme

I started reading that link before I read Graeme and Graeme's (!!) comments. I say 'started' because I gave up reading it well before halfway, so those two responses simply confirmed what I was already thinking. The guy likes the sound of his own voice waaaay too much, and as the old saying goes, "Empty vessels make the most noise".
Up to you of course, but I think you could make much better use of your time than on a debate that you can never win, even though you are almost certainly right.

Thanks for the warnings folks - I do know of his track record and be have clashed horns previously. He seems to enjoy using capital letters and emboldened text in his replies and in his last reply to me even included enlarged text.

In a previous post he asked for comments on his web page - and even invited criticism. I've not criticised, I have merely pointed out a couple of inconsistencies. He has grudgingly accepted he needs to change the wording of one statement (about the need for one charger per loco) - but only the clarify the point he is making rather than accept that the statement has no real basis in truth.

I've now had 116 responses to my little survey so I will try to present my viewpoint using stats to back it up. Any prediction as to how he will respond?

When I was a lecturer, we encouraged students to challenge the views of others - even accepted authorities on subjects. I see this as a purely academic exercise.

Rik

ge_rik wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 8:46 am
I've now had 116 responses to my little survey

Thats a huge response from our esteemed members!
I'm sure we would all be fascinated to see a summary of the results when you have the time.

Rik, survey done, and I think you know my opinion on G**g.

I look forward to seeing your results Rik

I've posted an overview of the results of the survey here for anyone who might be interested
https://riksrailway.blogspot.com/2022/0 ... terim.html

Rik

philipy wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 9:41 am

ge_rik wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 8:46 am
I've now had 116 responses to my little survey

Thats a huge response from our esteemed members!
I'm sure we would all be fascinated to see a summary of the results when you have the time.

Not just our forum members - I also posted a link on the 16mm NGM facebook group and a couple of other FB groups I frequent

Rik

An interesting set of results there Rik

Now up to 175 responses which is far more than I was expecting. I might close the survey down tomorrow and then do a more detailed analysis - if I can remember how to do correlations ....

Since posting a summary of the results on the other forum my friend hasn't responded - though I have heard he's bad mouthing me and my guide on a different forum.

Rik

ge_rik wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 8:46 am Thanks for the warnings folks - I do know of his track record and be have clashed horns previously. He seems to enjoy using capital letters and emboldened text in his replies and in his last reply to me even included enlarged text.

In a previous post he asked for comments on his web page - and even invited criticism. I've not criticised, I have merely pointed out a couple of inconsistencies. He has grudgingly accepted he needs to change the wording of one statement (about the need for one charger per loco) - but only the clarify the point he is making rather than accept that the statement has no real basis in truth.

I've now had 116 responses to my little survey so I will try to present my viewpoint using stats to back it up. Any prediction as to how he will respond?

When I was a lecturer, we encouraged students to challenge the views of others - even accepted authorities on subjects. I see this as a purely academic exercise.

Rik

From past experience he will ridicule the survey, produce all sorts of links and then just cut the discussion off.

ge_rik wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:19 pm I have heard he's bad mouthing me and my guide on a different forum.

Thankfully, our membership here is generally more helpful and tolerant of each others foibles.

philipy wrote: ↑Mon May 02, 2022 5:51 am

ge_rik wrote: ↑Sun May 01, 2022 10:19 pm I have heard he's bad mouthing me and my guide on a different forum.

Thankfully, our membership here is generally more helpful and tolerant of each others foibles.

Are you saying I have foibles!!??? - how dare you..........
I have never been so insulted in my life .....

Well not since Friday ....

Rik
PS At first I enlarged and emboldened "How dare you...." but it just didn't look right on a forum post. I don't think it's something I could ever do, no matter how much a post has annoyed me.

PPS It does seem that some people on forums take comments as personal insults - they insist on playing the man rather than the ball. I go walking with four other old gits like me and I often quite heatedly disagree with the political views of one of our group - but it's only his views I have problems with - especially after he pays for my coffee and toasted tea cake.....

I've now created a follow-up survey on battery power. The first was to address a specific point - this one is far more generalised. Before I post it more widely, could you take a quick look and let me know if

• you spot any errors, typos, etc.
• any of the questions are ambiguous or difficult to answer
• any questions should be removed
• there are questions you think are missing
• you have any other observations

https://forms.gle/MKpzpRobhAqc5ppr9

Thanks

Rik

I've just filled it in Rik. Written half a dozen clarification comments at various points ( you may disagree, in which case I shall be mortaly offended, throw my toys out of the pram and never speak to you again! ) , but in general I think it's pretty comprehensive.

Pert 2 of the survey has now been edited and posted for completion

https://forms.gle/P6DCJbb7r7c3CQoP9

Rik