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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
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The Eclipse type pin chuck is a good idea and I am inspired to make some sockets like yours.
Could you elucidate on how you made the 12 BA socket ?
The Eclipse type pin chuck is a good idea and I am inspired to make some sockets like yours.
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
This particular 12BA socket started life as stainless M5 Allen key grub screw (which uses 2.5mm Allen key).
OD of the socket head is 3.6mm, which means it can get into some very tight spaces.
Proper 12BA A/F should be 2.3mm (Nuts and Bolts across flats is nominally 1.75 x Major Diameter) but those 10BA "one size smaller head" bolts are made from 2.5mm hexagon.
If you needed socket for 2.3mm AF bolt head, you would need to find imperial screw that uses 3/32" Allen key.
10BA socket is M4 Allen key bolt (which uses 3.0 Allen key).
Not my idea btw, read about it very long time ago...
OD of the socket head is 3.6mm, which means it can get into some very tight spaces.
Proper 12BA A/F should be 2.3mm (Nuts and Bolts across flats is nominally 1.75 x Major Diameter) but those 10BA "one size smaller head" bolts are made from 2.5mm hexagon.
If you needed socket for 2.3mm AF bolt head, you would need to find imperial screw that uses 3/32" Allen key.
10BA socket is M4 Allen key bolt (which uses 3.0 Allen key).
Not my idea btw, read about it very long time ago...
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
YAY, thanks for that. I am going to create my set of sockets.bambuko wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:04 am This particular 12BA socket started life as stainless M5 Allen key grub screw (which uses 2.5mm Allen key).
OD of the socket head is 3.6mm, which means it can get into some very tight spaces.
Proper 12BA A/F should be 2.3mm (Nuts and Bolts across flats is nominally 1.75 x Major Diameter) but those 10BA "one size smaller head" bolts are made from 2.5mm hexagon.
If you needed socket for 2.3mm AF bolt head, you would need to find imperial screw that uses 3/32" Allen key.
10BA socket is M4 Allen key bolt (which uses 3.0 Allen key).
Not my idea btw, read about it very long time ago...
Cheers from Dazza, The Hydrostatic Lubricator
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
Summer is usually dedicated to my other (non-steam) hobbies, so there was long silence... but recent "bad" weather meant that I had some time in the workshop.
Here is the result - frame brazed together (I have used Sifbronze No1 and oxy-propane):
and viewed from below:
Result is strong and solid frame, but it wasn't easy...
It was constant battle to keep it straight, even despite my brazing fixture.
Partly because I have used BMS (cold rolled steel), which at the slightest provocation (any machining or heating) springs into live releasing internal stresses caused by cold rolling, but also because my heat control when brazing is crap (need a lot more practice...).
It will do for the first frame
Next one will (hopefully) be better and easier
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anybody knows of a source of hot rolled steel sheet in the sizes we need for our gauge?
I can get it from 3mm (1/8") upwards but nothing thinner - I guess it's just not commercially available?
Here is the result - frame brazed together (I have used Sifbronze No1 and oxy-propane):
and viewed from below:
Result is strong and solid frame, but it wasn't easy...
It was constant battle to keep it straight, even despite my brazing fixture.
Partly because I have used BMS (cold rolled steel), which at the slightest provocation (any machining or heating) springs into live releasing internal stresses caused by cold rolling, but also because my heat control when brazing is crap (need a lot more practice...).
It will do for the first frame
Next one will (hopefully) be better and easier
ps
anybody knows of a source of hot rolled steel sheet in the sizes we need for our gauge?
I can get it from 3mm (1/8") upwards but nothing thinner - I guess it's just not commercially available?
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
One of the suppliers here in Denmark that we use has hot rolled sheet down to 1.5mm.
Here is a UK supplier:
http://www.willsdensteel.co.uk/steel-sh ... eel-sheet/
Here is a UK supplier:
http://www.willsdensteel.co.uk/steel-sh ... eel-sheet/
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Thank you for that BB.
Good to know that "our" sizes are available (just need to find now someone who will sell me the small quantity I need, not the lorry load )
and... one more photo - brazing fixture, now being used as a machining fixture to finish mill hornbloacks:
Good to know that "our" sizes are available (just need to find now someone who will sell me the small quantity I need, not the lorry load )
and... one more photo - brazing fixture, now being used as a machining fixture to finish mill hornbloacks:
Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
Depends on where you live I guess. I assume you've tried the UK model engineering trade.
Are there any metal fabricators in your area? A local trailer builder was happy to sell me off-cuts, but unfortunately doesn't use anything thin enough for loco frame use in my scale.
I use HR sheet in 1.6mm for plate frames and 3mm for bar frames, as HR is all I can get in small 12" x 15" sheets here in Aust.
I know that 1.6mm CR sheet is rolled in Aust., but no-one sells it in small sheets and I don't have the facilities to handle a full size 2.4m x 1.2m sheet.
I'd actually prefer to use CR sheet for making frames, as descaling HR sheet is a pain in the nether regions, but then I don't braze my frames........
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You could try businesses that do laser cutting. They may have some thin HRS in stock.
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
Thank you guys.
Yes, opinions are divided between CRS and HRS for the frames (specially in bigger gauges where it is more of an issue).
I am guessing, that using common 16mm practice of unsprung axles makes the frames less prone to any distortion?
and...as you say cold rolled is easier to work with.
I am guessing GBT that you are talking about black stuff, which is indeed a bitch to de-scale.
Since asking the question I have found hot rolled steel down to 2mm thick (from the usual auction site ) so I will try it on the next frame, to see if it makes difference?
Yes, opinions are divided between CRS and HRS for the frames (specially in bigger gauges where it is more of an issue).
I am guessing, that using common 16mm practice of unsprung axles makes the frames less prone to any distortion?
and...as you say cold rolled is easier to work with.
I am guessing GBT that you are talking about black stuff, which is indeed a bitch to de-scale.
Since asking the question I have found hot rolled steel down to 2mm thick (from the usual auction site ) so I will try it on the next frame, to see if it makes difference?
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
I had a sheet of 1.6mm and 0.6mm CRS guillotined into handy sizes by my local stockist. I have a lifetime supply . 0.6mm is perfect for bodywork and solders nicely.
Best wishes,
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
As I know very well from following your Hunslet build thread.
I also agree with you that there is no point using brass sheet where steel will do perfectly nice
and much cheaper as well.
Weather is still crappy here, so off to the workshop...
I also agree with you that there is no point using brass sheet where steel will do perfectly nice
and much cheaper as well.
Weather is still crappy here, so off to the workshop...
Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
Yes, as you surmise, the only HR I can get in small sheets is in black sheet form.
The HR grade I use is HA1 and it's CA2S-E for the CR. Those are AS/NZS general purpose grades, I've no idea what they'd be called anywhere else.
Some HR grades are available in pickled and oiled form, but I've not found any local supplier that sells it in small quantities.
About all I use HR for is loco frames and since they are flat I usually descale them with a flap wheel sander. That leaves a smooth surface that doesn't rust as fast as the porous surface left by descaling with acid.
Regards,
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
Bit more progress.
Hornstays are now fitted:
Next axleboxes...
Hornstays are now fitted:
Next axleboxes...
Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
Wonderful bit of work and great progress.
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Super.
We award you Australia's highest award, the Koala stamp.
Keep the pictures coming.
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I am honouredHydrostatic Dazza wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:56 pm ...We award you Australia's highest award, the Koala stamp...
Can't wait to get it on it's wheels. Until I know that my suspension/equalisation works, it is just an experiment that might turn out to be training exercise. One thing is for sure - the lessons learned will be worth it for future designs!
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bambuko wrote: ↑Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:49 amI am honouredHydrostatic Dazza wrote: ↑Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:56 pm ...We award you Australia's highest award, the Koala stamp...
Can't wait to get it on it's wheels. Until I know that my suspension/equalisation works, it is just an experiment that might turn out to be training exercise. One thing is for sure - the lessons learned will be worth it for future designs!
If it does not work, and there is no reason why it will not, one will just have to lock it all up and then it becomes cosmetic. No matter what, it will look cool.
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)
Not much progress in the workshop.
I am spending most of the time at the moment finishing CAD design, particularly valve gear.
In the meantime, here is a test of screencast from CAD for your amusement:
https://screencast.autodesk.com/Embed/T ... 78?t=0m00s
Entertainment value aside , clearances are tight and it helps to check everything before cutting metal
I am spending most of the time at the moment finishing CAD design, particularly valve gear.
In the meantime, here is a test of screencast from CAD for your amusement:
https://screencast.autodesk.com/Embed/T ... 78?t=0m00s
Entertainment value aside , clearances are tight and it helps to check everything before cutting metal
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That's a great way to go about designing a loco.
It must be rewarding seeing it all work in CAD knowing all the measurements and tolerances are correct.
It must be rewarding seeing it all work in CAD knowing all the measurements and tolerances are correct.
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