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Re: Otto bash

Post by GTB » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:04 pm

ge_rik wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:57 am I'd like to use a wheel cam but not yet found a way to mount one on/in a ToyTrain block.
Meant to answer this earlier....... The photo of an Otto chassis you posted reminded me.... :roll:

You may already know all this, but just in case you don't, here it is. In HO the 'cam' is often a disc on the back of a driving wheel. Soundtraxx sell a pack of them for their DCC sound decoders that are etched on very thin printed circuit board.

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This shows one fitted to a wheel set. It takes some care to fit, as the wheel has to be removed from the axle and if the axle isn't splined, it is easy to screw up the quartering when reassembling.

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The biggest available cams in HO are only 20mm or so in diameter, but it should give you the idea. For your application, you'd need two wipers, one from the sound board cam connection and one to the common return.

There should be enough space between the wheel and the frame on an Otto to make a cam to fit. Cut a disc of shim metal, preferably phos bronze, and glue it to the back of the wheel. The insulation between the contact areas could be made by cutting segments of self adhesive plastic (the stuff used on school books), or possibly a a better solution is to use clear nail varnish to paint the insulating segments on the metal. The wipers would be best made out of phos bronze strip, rather than wire, as flat strip doesn't move around as much when the loco changes direction.

A friend working in HO makes his chuff 'cam' by applying areas of super glue to the back of one of the driving wheel tyres on the uninsulated side, but he only has one wiper to deal with, as the return is via the axle. One of his locos has the characteristic off beat exhaust of that loco class, as he was able to vary the chuff timing by painting different length insulated sections.

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Re: Otto bash

Post by ge_rik » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:15 pm

Lonsdaler wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:11 am Your solution to the sound problem is ingenious - but as the firebox door is open, can you find room for a flicker effect red LED? :lol:
Yep - installed a couple of flickering yellow LEDs from those cheapo tea-lights. Might exchange one of them for a red. :sunny:

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Re: Otto bash

Post by ge_rik » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:19 pm

GTB wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:04 pm A friend working in HO makes his chuff 'cam' by applying areas of super glue to the back of one of the driving wheel tyres on the uninsulated side, but he only has one wiper to deal with, as the return is via the axle. One of his locos has the characteristic off beat exhaust of that loco class, as he was able to vary the chuff timing by painting different length insulated sections.
Brilliant! Thanks Graeme. The Otto has carbon wipers on the back of each wheel - I'm sure I can re-install one of them and arrange some form of insulation around the rear of the wheel. Why didn't I think of that!!!???

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Re: Otto bash

Post by ge_rik » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:36 pm

Part 12a (for the superstitious) - Final(?) detailing

Very nearly there......!!!
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Most of the pipework has now been added. I've decided to omit some of the thinner oiling pipes which spider across the running board but quite pleased with the pipework around the safety valves and whistle. Slightly simplified from the original but looks OK.
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As the cab interior is very much on view, I spent a while constructing the water level gauge from bits and pieces. It's slightly overscale, but I can live with that. The pressure gauge dial is a photo of a real gauge reduced in size.
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Just given her a small test run and she seems to perform OK with all the gubbins on....
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Just noticed that I need still need to install a brake standard and reversing lever in the cab. Slightly less space than on the real thing as the firebox is somewhat wider - but no doubt will find somewhere for them.
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She needs a number on the bunker sides and buffer beams and I need to order some nameplates and makers plates from Narrow Planet - then give her a couple of final coats of varnish - then I think she'll be ready to roll!
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Re: Otto bash

Post by tom_tom_go » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:53 pm

Very pretty Rik, the loco that is.

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Re: Otto bash

Post by Soar Valley Light » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:55 pm

Another triumph Rik. That's a really well proportioned and good looking engine. The detailing is very impressive and I love the livery. Worth every minute of the hours you've clearly put into it. I look froward to seeing clips of the PLRs latest motive power at work!
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Re: Otto bash

Post by ge_rik » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:20 pm

Thanks chaps.
I think that'll do me for a while. Now got more locos than I envisaged when I planned the line. Mind you, I said that the last time, and the time before that!

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Re: Otto bash

Post by Big Jim » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:37 pm

You can never have enough locos.
I don't have a railway and I have dozens of the blighters.
Ever thought of a 16mm scale spot hire operation?
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Re: Otto bash

Post by IrishPeter » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:57 am

It is a lovely little locomotive, and really captures the feel of the original. Congratulations!

Jim - I have been lucky so far, but I am seriously think of building a battery electric tram loco for when I don't want to have to try too hard. My fear is that it might open the flood gates, and I really should be doing something a bit more useful - like building more Goods Wagons!

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Re: Otto bash

Post by markoteal » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:11 am

Great detailing - my fav is the water gauge - what did the glass section start life as? a square biro case?
Where did I put that uncoupler?

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Re: Otto bash

Post by ge_rik » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:41 am

markoteal wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:11 am Great detailing - my fav is the water gauge - what did the glass section start life as? a square biro case?
Hi Mark
I cut two corners from the top of a pack of cocktail sticks. It was all quite serendipitous - I usually have a pack of cocktail sticks on my workbench - handy for applying small quantities of superglue and, just as I decided to make the water gauge, the top of the pack happened to be sitting on the work bench. A couple of deft slices with the razor saw, chamfering with a file, a dab of superglue with a cocktail stick, and the body of the gauge was done!

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Re: Otto bash

Post by ge_rik » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:45 am

Big Jim wrote: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:37 pm You can never have enough locos.
I don't have a railway and I have dozens of the blighters.
Ever thought of a 16mm scale spot hire operation?
Hi Jim
Tempting, but no.
I can live with all the little idiosyncrasies of my creations but I'm not so sure anyone else would.

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Re: Otto bash

Post by bazzer42 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:13 am

That is a really nice loco and a clever adaptation of a easily obtainable model. You must be inspiring a lot of 45mm gauge modellers.

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Re: Otto bash

Post by ge_rik » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:42 am

bazzer42 wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:13 am That is a really nice loco and a clever adaptation of a easily obtainable model. You must be inspiring a lot of 45mm gauge modellers.
That's kind of you to say so.
Five of my locos are based on the 'Otto' motor block - but this is the first where I've bashed the body into something a bit different.

There was an interesting kit-bash kit based on an LGB ToyTrain Porter on one of the stands at Llanfair (the German chap with all the tempting detailing bits and pieces). I ended up buying some etched valve gear designed for the Otto motor block from him - so looks like I might be casting around for a prototype with valve gear ...... No, be strong, Rik. Resist the temptation!!! Repeat after me, "You have enough locos!"

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Re: Otto bash

Post by FWLR » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:09 am

I love your loco Rik, it just seems right to me and such a clever build and imagination has gone into it..one day i may get to be able to have the skills do attempt a kit bash myself. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Re: Otto bash

Post by tom_tom_go » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:12 am

What's happen to poor old Chaloner Rik, is she going to get a look in soon?

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Re: Otto bash

Post by Lonsdaler » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:22 am

Delightful scratch building (or should that be modding?) This is the sort of modelling I enjoy.
Excellent stuff, Rik :thumbup:
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Re: Otto bash

Post by GTB » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:27 pm

ge_rik wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:42 am No, be strong, Rik. Resist the temptation!!! Repeat after me, "You have enough locos!"
I'm with Big Jim, you can never have enough locos............ 8)

You need some sort of project to keep your hands and mind working, as you can't spend all your time running trains, not in your climate.

The latest loco has come up nicely. It reminds me of the ancient tank locos that used to potter around the colliery lines on the NSW coalfields.

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Re: Otto bash

Post by ge_rik » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:00 pm

tom_tom_go wrote: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:12 am What's happen to poor old Chaloner Rik, is she going to get a look in soon?
Hi Tom

The weather has been so unpredictable, I've just not had time for many proper running sessions. On decent days there always seems to be something else which needs to be done (eg went for a walk with a mate on the Clwydians yesterday). Had an afternoon's running on Friday when the grandson of a former colleague came to 'play' but he seemed more interested in running as many locos as possible at full tilt - amazingly they stayed on the track - though my nerves were somewhat frazzled after three hours!!!!

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Re: Otto bash

Post by ge_rik » Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:45 pm

Just managed to get in a test run before the weather turned - you can see the first few drops of rain as the train passes over the viaduct.


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