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Post by Narrow Minded » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:16 pm

From the video thread;
As we seem to be continuing this subject I would like to add my total agreement to the comments about not replying if there is nothing positive to contribute to the subject.   My own threads have been responded to with constructive replies which have led to further interesting comments.
To respond with just a 'smilie' or a 'yup' seems to me to be pointless.  Having said that, it proves that someone out there is listening and should be persuaded to contribute further with information from their own experience.
The value of the forum is to be able to learn from others, particularly for someone like me who rarely gets the opportunity to meet with like minded modellers.    I have learned so much from my communication with others that I felt confident enough to build my own railway and even show it to invited guests.
My observations lead me to believe there are some members who only follow certain threads and overlook others completely.  Many subjects seem to be of little or no interest to some, therefore miss out on responses.   Personally, I read every new posting daily but only reply to the ones which I feel I can add to in a positive or constructive way.  Equally, by responding in a negative way, some contributors may be inclined to think they will not put themselves in that position again and therefore leave the Forum completely.
I will have nothing to do with Facebook so anything posted there is lost on me and a loss to the Forum.
As someone who has no interest in video whatsoever, I picked this item out from the front page list of active posts. Thus I would never have seen it in the normal scheme of things, as like many I only access headings of interest to me personally.
While (probably) the last few postings might have been read by a wider membership had they been placed under a non specialist heading, they do raise some interesting questions. I belong to quite a few forums covering three distinct hobbies. Thus I scan the forums daily for threads of interest to me under the subject headings associated with my main areas of interests. For example I have no interest in live steam locos, so why would I access that heading. I do however have an interest in steam engine construction allied to powering large model boats. Different forums, different interests. About an hour a day is for me sufficient time to spend on the forums. To those who have the available time and the wider general interest to read and respond to all of the daily posts different pattern of usage will apply. We are after all individuals and no amount of discussion will change that one iota.
As for the Facebook fad. Never used it and never will. Time is far to valuable and machine and data security here is paramount. As for Yahoo Groups the less said the better.

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Very interesting comments Andy, and since this hasn't "moved" to a separate thread I'll quite happily reply here.

Hi,
you were under no obligation to reply, I was setting out my view in reply to other contributions earlier in the thread.  After all a forum is a meeting to exchange views.

Members may leave this forum for a number of reasons but a common complaint from both forums and yahoo groups members and similar, in my experience at least, is being overwhelmed by the less helpful comments that seem to have little benefit to anyone but the commenter's post statistics.  
People may have a fit of enthusiasm when taking up forum membership but this can cool quite quickly.  The reason for this could be a problem with their expectations rather than the day to day operation of the forum.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course, and for me, from the above it's quite obvious that the attitude is more "What's in it for me", rather than "How can I contribute".

This forum used to be a very lively place where everyone could find inspiration, motivation, advice and the je ne sais quoi that made for a "community spirit". Now, it seems that it's treated like some free Emagazine, to be picked up whenever and thumbed through just for articles of interest to the reader, with absolutely no interest at all in what "fellow members" of the forum are up to. (Yes, "fellow members" of your forum, not "contributors")

I can only suppose that the newer membership are quite happy with the current state of the forum, and it's only us dinosaurs who remember "the good old days" and make unfavourable comparisons.

I much appreciate the "Thank You's" Zach and Chris, (and I feel for you Chris having spent the time and effort building up your excellent Mamod/MSS information collection on here, only to have it ignored and now "hijacked" by the new dedicated web page!)
Also thanks Matt, but I see that to date, the inevitable has happened, with absolutely no continuity of the video competition despite the best of intentions.

I've just carried out a little "experiment" over on my Railways & Layouts thread over the last 24hrs.
I posted a Christmas Greetings photo (with no accompanying text).
It's November, but no comments about being little too early.
There's snow, but no comments about the possibility of snow to come.
There's a Thomas face, which received one comment (from a friend)
The loco has long gone from the W&L, commented upon by another friend.
24hrs, 360 views and 2 comments (and I've seen all the posts made during that time so know who has been actively "on" the forum)
I hope this answers the question "why" I don't bother posting anymore.
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Post by tom_tom_go » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:39 pm

Hi Greg,

I am glad you brought this up as I have been biting my lip on these subjects for a while now.

I enjoy posting whatever I am up to on my railway for people to read and look at and if it helps them then that's great.  It also allows me to document what I am up to so I can go back over old posts. You should not 'give' to 'receive' non?

Also, we all vary in age on here and therefore are in different stages of our lives so some have more time than others to devote to hobby's.  How I would like to retire now though!

There are, however, a few particular members though on this forum that do reply negatively to pretty much anything people post (I believe they think they are being witty) and I know one of them is a Yahoo! member which is why I left that forum long ago as I got fed up with the attitude of that particular group.

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Post by Narrow Minded » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:46 pm

Thanks for your reply Tom - at least you've proved someone is reading this.

You're absolutely right in everything you've said, and I hope that any other forum members who are currently "biting their lips" air their views here. I know that our Administrator, Mr Bond, has expressed concerns over the state of the forum and all concerns will be welcome for his consideration.
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Post by Sir haydn » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:13 pm

It is clear that people are not reading the forum as the amount of repeat posts has gone through the roof. It would seem we are being used for a quick answer when some are too lazy to think for themselves.

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Post by Narrow Minded » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:47 pm

Very true Matt - the Search facility in the top-right corner of the page isn't great, but it works! Also, it doesn't take long to look through the titles of the thread pages.
I also find it quite pernicious when for example someone asks for a "realistic" photo for "inspiration", implying that there are none on here already (though there are and they just haven't bothered looking!)
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Post by LnBmad » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:47 pm

I'm finding this a strange time. I like posting on here, both to log my work on my railway and to help others should they need it. I appreciate the encouragement and feedback when it is given, although of late this has seemed to be decreasing other than a few friends.

I think if we continue to be welcoming of new members and continue trying to encourage positive discussions and feedback then we will get there again.
If it can be made full scale it can be made 16mm

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Post by Narrow Minded » Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:55 pm

"and continue trying" being the operative phrase, I doubt it'll improve on its own.

The question is, who's willing to put in the effort?
Surely it should be every single member of the forum, but obviously it won't because for some, "it is what it is" and they're quite satisfied with the current state of affairs.
Others, like myself have simply had enough of "trying" and simply given up and either left altogether or stopped wasting time and effort here.
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Post by LnBmad » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:04 pm

I know that I for one will be pushing forward with this, as I want to see the forum succeed and wherever I can I want to help. I understand how you feel with seeing how it's going but I would suggest sticking with it. Even if you only check in every so often, or let us know how your railway is going....
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Post by Dannypenguin » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:17 pm

But, this forum, I must say is considerably better than some others on replies...I am a member of another three forums, two especially have gone down in the past month or so, with one rarley getting a reply a day. This forum also has a good community spirit (everyone seems to be friends type thing) compared to these other forums I'm part of (one comes very close though), the other two have a lot of b*tching around at each other when a comment someone only very slightly dislikes is made. Although I agree, yes, this forum might be slowing down, it isn't as bad as other places.

Sir Hadyn, that is a common one with a forum I am involved with about a ship simulator computer game. It has 74,484 members, however there is a core group (on the English forum) of about 20, who continually post (me included). Although not all of the rest (some are on the German, French and Dutch forums, some are people who have left), most of the rest of the 74 thousand or so members are random people who appear from nowhere, post a question about why there game doesn't work, gets a answer, fixes it and goes. Hopefully it will not become as bad here.

I also agree with LnBmad - Even if you do not feel that the forum is as good anymore, stick with it, and as he says, keep checking, let us know how things are getting on, you never know, it might just get better. :)
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Post by Narrow Minded » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:17 pm

I know that I for one will be pushing forward with this, as I want to see the forum succeed and wherever I can I want to help. I understand how you feel with seeing how it's going but I would suggest sticking with it. Even if you only check in every so often, or let us know how your railway is going....
That's great to hear, and I wish you and every like-minded member of the forum nothing but success!
I hope that everyone gets the forum experience that they want, or as close to it as possible (can't please all the people all of the time).
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Post by Dannypenguin » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:25 pm

Greg, I hope this isn't your leaving message, as you are a good person here, it would be sad to loose a top member, and it would probably make the situation worse if anything. Please consider that before making a final depature. I am sure the other members will agree with me on that.
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Post by LnBmad » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:27 pm

Dannypenguin:92520 wrote:Greg, I hope this isn't your leaving message, as you are a good person here, it would be sad to loose a top member, and it would probably make the situation worse if anything. Please consider that before making a final depature. I am sure the other members will agree with me on that.
Cannot agree more with this!!!
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Post by Matt » Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:32 pm

LnBmad:92521 wrote:
Dannypenguin:92520 wrote:Greg, I hope this isn't your leaving message, as you are a good person here, it would be sad to loose a top member, and it would probably make the situation worse if anything. Please consider that before making a final depature. I am sure the other members will agree with me on that.
Cannot agree more with this!!!
Agreed.
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Post by Busted Bricks » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:10 pm

I read a lot of the messages here but rarely post in them unless I have some input (which I normally don't as I don't actively do any garden railway modelling anymore). I really like the forum though - it's a lot better than the 16mmngm Yahoo group.

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Post by williamfj » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:17 pm

You've raised some good points Greg, and I agree with those hoping that wasn't your swansong here. Personally I read just about every topic, however I don't post as much as I could as I often feel that I haven't got anything of much interest to add or people have already said what I was going to.
With my fleet thread I'm not too sure what I'm doing it for, whether it's a record mainly for myself so later down the line (!) I can keep track (:roll:) of what I've built, repaired and messed up and when, or if it's for everyone to read to prove I don't just lurk here, or whether it's to keep my writing muscles flexed after finishing uni in May.
I suppose a valid question is, are spells of silence broken up by valid points better than spells full of chatter that could engulf any valid points?

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Post by jim@NAL » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:33 pm

I must agree with a lot of what narrow minded has said im quite new to this fourm and I get the feeling sometimes that no one cares what u put on or post .but on the other hand iv had a lot of helpful comments and advice .I log on most days and look at nerly all the new posts the only one I don't look at is the live steam loco bit .but this is because I don't have a live steam train. on another point the railway inspector where is he why hasent anymore been done about this we have a pretty good postal service in this country and it dosent take that long for thing to get sent thro the post.its a shame I really enjoyed the posts and found them quite funny and it was a fun idear but then again on the other point the video comp was very good I liked watching all the videos

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Post by andymctractor » Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:50 pm

As the contributor of one of the quotes used by 'Narrow Minded' I'm tempted to reply here.
I've only been a member of this forum since Feb 2013 and have only posted 117 times so I can't recall the days when the forum was used by members who apparently behaved in a certain way that meets with the approval of some.  
What I can add is that I enjoy using this forum and visit it most days.  I can also say that I have made some contributions but haven't done this expecting replies or for those replies to be positive.  I am guilty of asking questions that have been answered before and I don't look under certain headings as the contents are unlikely to be of interest to me.  If that makes me bad then I apologise.  However, whilst the jury is out on whether I deserve to be sent to Coventry I will go out to my shed and do some modelling. Roll on the summer. :shock:
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Post by Narrow Minded » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:52 pm

andymctractor:92546 wrote:I'm tempted to reply here.
If you read this when you get back from your shed, I'm not sure why you went to the trouble of basically repeating what you'd already said but thanks for deciding that the topic was of interest to you.

I'm afraid you're wrong in your assumption that people "expect replies" to posts - as mentioned in some of the relies above there are several reasons why folk do post on here, it's just that if no acknowledgements are made then the person posting can pretty soon wonder why they bothered in the first place.
To quote a former prolific member of this forum "I just felt like I was pi$$ing in the wind - total waste of time".

I'm not saying you're "bad" and I'm extremely sorry if you think I'm implying anything of the sort - I used your quote amongst others to illustrate why I think the forum has gone downhill and why it no longer has the same appeal to me.
As for "sending you to Coventry", if everyone starts using the forum in the same way you advocate, surely then you'll all be doing that to yourselves.
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Post by DLRdan » Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:53 pm

Said it before and I'll say it again, I blame facebook.
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Post by tom_tom_go » Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:05 pm

Yes not all of us are on FB believe it or not!

Also, embedded Youtube or other video links don't work on every mobile/tablet so post links as well.

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