Roundhouse 2013
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Reading what Brian said again that rules out the England's, though having said that it would explain why DJB haven't been in a rush to release Palmerston. I'm still not convinced though, too many variations between the 6 over the years that can't be easily produced on the one basic design. And if its reguagable it's going to look very wrong on one gauge or another. Gelert or as a wild card one of the polish diesels?MDLR:81748 wrote:The rumour at Butterley this afternoon is that it's something Welsh Highland based, but we don't know if it's from the New Big Railway or the Original Preservationists - my guess would be the latter.
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I thinks there has been many good guesses here. But I would like Roundhouse to make a special edition of the BILLY.
Why? RH could use a lot of standard parts to make the model. Billy is an always good start for beginners, but not everybody has the skills to decorate their engine themselves.
RH have made special editions of the Lady Anne / Silver Lady, Jack, and Charles (with R/C). So let it be a new one this year.
An upgrade of the Billy would sell more of this nice little engine. Here are some things to consider; make the cab a little lower, fully sprung chassis, water top up and water gauge, glazed spectacles, a narrow front bufferbeam, and other nice details.
Why? RH could use a lot of standard parts to make the model. Billy is an always good start for beginners, but not everybody has the skills to decorate their engine themselves.
RH have made special editions of the Lady Anne / Silver Lady, Jack, and Charles (with R/C). So let it be a new one this year.
An upgrade of the Billy would sell more of this nice little engine. Here are some things to consider; make the cab a little lower, fully sprung chassis, water top up and water gauge, glazed spectacles, a narrow front bufferbeam, and other nice details.
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The "Billy" basic outline could be used to make lots of models of real engines. There is the Barclay peat-burning engines for one thing (that "Tom Rolt" was built from), and of course "Douglas", another Barclay based on the "Koppel" shape.
The only problem, though, is that most of these little "Koppel-esque" engines are well-tanks with inside frames. "Billy" looks a bit like a Koppel or a Barclay, but with the wide buffer beam, and open "outside" plate frames is quite clearly NOT a well-tank. That's why I put a tender on mine.
If I were going to use Roundhouse parts to make a "Douglas", I would use the "bertie" frames with "Billy" valve gear, boiler, and body panels. Scale-wise though, it might be a bit of a nightmare: The original Tom Rolt was built from a Koppel-y-looking Barclay engine outwardly similar to a Billy in real life, but the 16mm model was quite a bit smaller than a Billy. If you used a "Billy" to make a model of "Douglas" it might wind up being a little larger than the scale purists would like. "Douglas" in real life is a very small engine.
The only problem, though, is that most of these little "Koppel-esque" engines are well-tanks with inside frames. "Billy" looks a bit like a Koppel or a Barclay, but with the wide buffer beam, and open "outside" plate frames is quite clearly NOT a well-tank. That's why I put a tender on mine.
If I were going to use Roundhouse parts to make a "Douglas", I would use the "bertie" frames with "Billy" valve gear, boiler, and body panels. Scale-wise though, it might be a bit of a nightmare: The original Tom Rolt was built from a Koppel-y-looking Barclay engine outwardly similar to a Billy in real life, but the 16mm model was quite a bit smaller than a Billy. If you used a "Billy" to make a model of "Douglas" it might wind up being a little larger than the scale purists would like. "Douglas" in real life is a very small engine.
Ooh, now that's beautiful.
Somewhere on the forum there are shots of the Actons' loco (on an Ogwen chassis). <Rummaging noises> Here it is... http://gardenrails.myfreeforum.org/ftop ... -asc-0.php
Somewhere on the forum there are shots of the Actons' loco (on an Ogwen chassis). <Rummaging noises> Here it is... http://gardenrails.myfreeforum.org/ftop ... -asc-0.php
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I must admit I was surprised when I saw what the steam loco was (the battery loco I've been expecting at some point), but reading back to page 2 I did say that Roundhouse would surprise us! I would have thought that Gelert would have made much more commercial sense though, what with the sister loco nearing completion at Boston Lodge for the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway, and so therefore having the "prototype generic" factor like the Alco and Baldwin. People will buy Karen but I'm not sure how long it will be around for!
"What the hell is that?"
"It's a model icebreaker sir."
"It's a bit big isn't it?"
"It's a full scale model sir....."
"It's a model icebreaker sir."
"It's a bit big isn't it?"
"It's a full scale model sir....."
I see what you mean, but I'm sure we'll see plenty of "Karens" in freelance liveries in due course!
I must admit, I'd never before realised how strange Karen's smokebox door is, with that flat, protruding rim. I thought the model looked rather odd until I looked up some prototype photos and realised that it is actually prototypical!
I must admit, I'd never before realised how strange Karen's smokebox door is, with that flat, protruding rim. I thought the model looked rather odd until I looked up some prototype photos and realised that it is actually prototypical!
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I suspect a major reason they picked Karen, was because it can still accommodate 45mm whilst retaining the correct scale dimensions.
According to the 7mm NGM drawings Karen is 7' wide (112mm in 1:19), and the Roundhouse model claims to be 113mm (so its pretty much spot on.)
However, Gelert is only 6' 3" (104mm in 1:19), so would probably need widening beyond scale dimensions for 45mm. It also has Bagnall Price Valve Gear as opposed to an inside gear, or outside Walschearts.
Indeed Karen looked very well in the metal.
According to the 7mm NGM drawings Karen is 7' wide (112mm in 1:19), and the Roundhouse model claims to be 113mm (so its pretty much spot on.)
However, Gelert is only 6' 3" (104mm in 1:19), so would probably need widening beyond scale dimensions for 45mm. It also has Bagnall Price Valve Gear as opposed to an inside gear, or outside Walschearts.
Indeed Karen looked very well in the metal.
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Well, that's my piggy bank safe for another year! ...... Now if it was a cut down Moel Tryfan and Vale of Ffestiniog, then that would be a different story. Nice models tho. particularly the Peckett, which is a big Mutha and suits RH range - just not my cup of tea. Sure we will see a few of them about.
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Both are very nice. Looking at the nice comments I have been seeing, I would like a Karen, but my Dad has only managed to get one from Roundhouse (cus he's a dealer) for this year so I ain't got a hope!
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Oh, my, do I ever want a Karen! Can you guys picture how one in Victorian Maroon would look alongside my "billy"?: (To me they look very complimentary with the stubby side-tanks/whatever those are, the oval spectacles and the square-ish brass dome. Also I quite like the inside valve-gear for some reason. I hope there is a full write-up on this one in "Garden Rail" soon.
Oh, I've got that panic-y "covetous" feeling that usually winds up costing me a lot of money!!!!!
The little diesel reminds me of one of those metal-bodied ones that IP used to make. I like it, too. Maybe useful on an all-steam railway as a "locomotive fetcher".
Oh, I've got that panic-y "covetous" feeling that usually winds up costing me a lot of money!!!!!
The little diesel reminds me of one of those metal-bodied ones that IP used to make. I like it, too. Maybe useful on an all-steam railway as a "locomotive fetcher".
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