A Quiet Sunday

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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by philipy » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:41 am

All nice Grant, but I do love that bike!
I've been looking for one for a long time but never found anything the right nominal scale that didn't look as though it was made of scaffold poles! TBH it never occurred to me to try making wheels.
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by tom_tom_go » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:45 am

How did you make those spoked wheels on the bike Grant?

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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by ge_rik » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:22 am

Definitely interested in seeing more. My railway is set in 1932 and so very interested in your vehicles. I like the subtle weathering and, like others, love the bike. I think I'd tear my hair out trying to make those spokes. Which reminds me, I seem to recall someone describing making bike wheels using his own hair as spokes in Railway Modeller around 40 years ago.

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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by philipy » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:43 am

ge_rik wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:22 am ... making bike wheels using his own hair as spokes

That lets me out then!! :roll:
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by LNR » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:49 am

I'm presuming you have curly hair then Philip ;) perhaps curly spoked wheels would be your go :shock:
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by LNR » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:53 am

tom_tom_go wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:45 am How did you make those spoked wheels on the bike Grant?
I did write it up on the Garden Railway Forum, it may be still there. I think I have the text filed, shall look it up.
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by GTB » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:31 am

LNR wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:53 am I did write it up on the Garden Railway Forum, it may be still there.
The article is still there............

https://sites.google.com/a/gardenrailwa ... -a-bicycle

Rather you than me. :shock:

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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by Lonsdaler » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:37 am

Please keep the posts coming about any aspect of your railway Grant! I have looked for period cars in 1:18 scale, and they are few and far between it seems, and prohibitively expensive. What make are the ones you have? very nice work on the Bruder Cat, but didn't that start out as 1:16 scale? all good stuff nonethelesss :thumbup:
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

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Lonsdaler wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:37 am I have looked for period cars in 1:18 scale, and they are few and far between it seems,
Your certainly right there Phil, I think the brand Yatming comes to mind. As far as I'm aware I've only missed one type, a 1927(?) Studebaker they wanted too much for to warrant spraying it with dirt etc. The other one most likely to be found is the "Brassy" T model Ford of 1913. I have that too in its available forms along with two that I got to, Shall cover those next perhaps. I think you are correct about the Bruder being 1/16th scale, I realized when building the Thornycroft that I built it unthinkingly to 1/19th. scale, and the Fordson F is 1/16th. scale and should be much smaller as they were a tiny tractor in real life.
I guess it all comes down to how far are we prepared to go, I've built car and truck bodies, but wooden spoked wheels and tyres are my stumbling point so I'm prepared to comprimise.
GTB wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:31 am The article is still there............
https://sites.google.com/a/gardenrailwa ... -a-bicycle

Thanks for the link Graeme.
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by ge_rik » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:53 am

GTB wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:31 am The article is still there............
https://sites.google.com/a/gardenrailwa ... -a-bicycle
Rather you than me. :shock:
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by philipy » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:29 pm

LNR wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:49 am I'm presuming you have curly hair then Philip ;) perhaps curly spoked wheels would be your go :shock:
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Well, when I was VERY small I did indeed have very curly (and very blonde) hair, which then went darker and darker and straighter and straighter before disappearing! :(
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by LNR » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:58 am

Another vehicle easy to get in several forms, and the most popular on our roads of the day, the ubiquitous T Model Ford.
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This one in standard 4 door tourer form.
Another version.
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Now if you remove the body (iridescent silver in 1929?) and build a metal cab with wooden tray you get this.
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So you buy another one, remove body, panel up a 2door coupe body with boot, metal hood frame with "leather" from an
old Lycra cycling suit and a carved wooden seat, and you get this.
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And you still have two van type bodies left over. More on that next.
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:29 am

Those vehicles are exquisite creations Grant, superb modelling.
More please.
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by ge_rik » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:35 pm

Peter Butler wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:29 am Those vehicles are exquisite creations Grant, superb modelling.
More please.
Ditto

BTW have you added the lamps or do they come with the models?

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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by Soar Valley Light » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:12 pm

Hi Grant,

Superb models, all of them. I particularly liked the dozer. I started my working life muck shifting and some of the old hand drivers could remember driving dozers with rope worked blades.

The bike looks very similar to my trusty, almost forty year old (agh! :shock: ) steed that still gets me around the locality.

Keep the pics coming please.

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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by LNR » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:05 am

ge_rik wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:35 pm BTW have you added the lamps or do they come with the models?
They came with the models Rik, and you've reminded me that the ones on the tourer weren't glued on and are sitting on the bench.

An advantage of my time frame is that there was still many horse drawn vehicles around, so as I had van bodies and two pairs of plastic spoked wheels some research revealed a bakers cart with a very similar style. It required a pair of smaller diameter wheels for the fore carriage so these were fretted out of ply, spokes rounded and steel tyres made and fitted to all four. A timber reach frame with fore and aft semi elliptic leaves (working shackles) at the rear, a fifth wheel at the front with transverse double elliptics, removeable shafts carved from bamboo gave me a platform to build a body chassis with footboard and brakes.
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An underneath view showing the reach frame and rear spring axle set-up.
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Front view of the fore carriage, fifth wheel and springs.
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Body fitted, hand brake assembled, plastic wheel to rear.(temporary pin!)
Next choosing a suitable horse (Schleich Hanoverian Stallion) the making of harness could begin. I still have a few pieces of real harness hanging in the workshop, bit of a soft spot with me. Collar, bridle and bit, reins, trace and breaching straps were made out of very thin leather being rubbed with glycerine to make it subtle. Hames, buckles and hame hooks from wire completed the outfit.
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Horse with all the gear laid out. Traces not cut to length yet.
Some paint, decals and the completed Bakers cart before a light weathering.
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by DG » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:35 am

wow Grant. As previously mentioned I don't know what people will say as they have already used up all the superlatives. So we will have to make some up. This is stunninglyfabulous and tremenduful. Where do you start on something like the steel tyres?

Thanks for sharing , inspiring.

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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by LNR » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:51 am

Thank you Dave. :oops:
For the tyres, just a matter of measuring wheel circumference, add a smidgen (Blacksmithing term) then cut steel strip and beat into a circle on redgum block (I don't have bending rolls) and silver solder the ends together. Beat it again over steel round, check size (hopefully only having to subtract not add) then press on. I run them on concrete vigorously to give a nice matt steel look.
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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by tom_tom_go » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:32 am

I think Grant should be granted the title Lord model maker of GRF.

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Re: A Quiet Sunday

Post by philipy » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:47 am

LNR wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:51 am Thank you Dave. :oops:
For the tyres, just a matter of measuring wheel circumference, add a smidgen (Blacksmithing term) then cut steel strip and beat into a circle on redgum block (I don't have bending rolls) and silver solder the ends together. Beat it again over steel round, check size (hopefully only having to subtract not add) then press on. I run them on concrete vigorously to give a nice matt steel look.
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Beautiful job though, Grant.
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