Time to build a railway...but where?

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by georgesheppard » Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:27 pm

Peter Butler wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:10 pm Returning to the freelance bowsider carriage from The Lineside Hut, as shown above, I bought one kit to try with the intention of buying more to make a train of all three variants. The first kit is now under construction and I am very happy with it. Meanwhile, I discovered a job lot of these same carriages for sale on eBay, along with another kit from a different supplier. I was successful in winning the auction and received a huge box in the post, which also included another Lineside Hut kit thrown in for free..... bonus! The free kit turned out to be a Ffestiniog Coach 20, which I have found on their website, and is priced at £120.00.... wow!
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What a bargain! I spotted those also but my kit backlog is too long already! :lol:

As always look forward to seeing the progress on these.

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Post by ge_rik » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:21 pm

That does sound like a bargain!

Really like you latest livestock wagons. I'm tempted to produce something similar for the PLR.

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Phil.P » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:07 pm

Hello Peter,
I have worked my way through all 2597 posts..
What an epic! Highly entertaining, and informative.

I have worked-out BURPS..

I think HIP is High Impact Polystyrene? - Platicard, I assume?

But SBR has me Stumped.. :dontknow:
Some sort of plasticiser or bonding agent?

Please enlighten me.

Thank you,
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:21 pm

Phil.P wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:07 pm Hello Peter,
I have worked my way through all 2597 posts..
What an epic! Highly entertaining, and informative.

I have worked-out BURPS..

I think HIP is High Impact Polystyrene? - Platicard, I assume?

But SBR has me Stumped.. :dontknow:
Some sort of plasticiser or bonding agent?

Please enlighten me.

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1. HIP is as you describe
2. SBR is also as you describe and can be found on eBay by entering the letters SBR. Builders use it to add to screed mix as it is flexible and waterproof. I find it works very well in certain conditions, but not on all materials. It forms a skin around fine ballast (not aquarium sized gravel) and bonds to roofing felt very well. I have also used it on a timber base, which is not good, as the expansion/contraction of the wood causes it to release. If you try it do not be alarmed by the blue colour, that will disappear after a while. Use plenty to saturate the ballast completely. It is important to keep the area dry for some days to allow the SBR to set after a surface skin has formed.
When used correctly it takes a hammer and chisel to shift it!
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Phil.P » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:35 pm

Thank you for the clarification..

I will need to take care, as I am embarrassed, in the lump hammer department! :dontknow:

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Jimmyb » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:34 pm

Take from the Ever Build website:

SBR Bond is a latex based, water resistant bonding agent and admixture for use in areas subject to humidity, dampness and continuous water contact. It improves water resistance of cement mixtures by forming a reinforcing polymer that increases long-term durability and flexibility of the mix on renderings and floor screeds.


Having used it myself in cement mixes as per the instructions, I do not find it that good, however I have not used as described by Peter.

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Post by philipy » Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:43 pm

Peter converted me to using SBR to glue down ballast and on 3mm granite 'dust' ballast it has worked well. As Peter said it is an alarming bluish green colour before it has properly cured and it can re-colour if it gets wet again in the early stages after initially appearing to have set. The colour disappears again as it dries out and this cycle can repeat for a short while depending on the weather, but eventually it will settle down and stick for ever!
I did try using it on a small area of mortar but it darkened the finished colour of the mortar and I was trying to match a section without SBR, so I desisted!
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:31 pm

The Lineside Hut, Bowsider coaches are starting to take shape now. I have decided to batch-build so I have painted most of the parts together and begun assembly...
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Amongst the job-lot I bought was a duplicate of one of the carriages I already have, so it will be painted a different colour to the other four.....


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Post by georgesheppard » Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:57 pm

Love the cream / green colour scheme Peter!

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:34 pm

Thank you George, I am very pleased with the colour combination too, I will try to get a daylight picture tomorrow. Meanwhile, because of the long bow-sides of the coach I have devised a method of holding them firmly while the PVA adhesive sets. Each side is 300mm long so needs supporting along its full length, top and bottom. In order to do this I cut four lengths of timber, 15 x 10mm (approx), strong enough not to bend, then stuck, on one wide face, a length of self adhesive rubberised strip, followed by a wrap of curtain lining material. The rubber evenly spreads the pressure while the material protects the painted surface......
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The whole thing is then glued and clamped together and left to set.....
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Post by ge_rik » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:22 am

Nifty! :thumbup:

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by FWLR » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:40 am

Nice idea that Peter.

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Andrew » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:42 am

Looking good!

I'm watching this with particular interest as I need to revisit the Ffestiniog bogie carriages at some point. My current stand-in is OK, but only 4 compartments long, so at some point I'll need to build a longer one, even if it's not full length - I'm watching closely for tips, particularly re the sides!

I agree, the green and cream livery is most attractive...

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Post by georgesheppard » Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:45 am

Now I can see the colours in the light, it reminds me of the Vale of Ffestiniog funkey diesel livery. What colours are they actually?

I've been trying to find a good match for a future Vale of Ffestiniog build, the closet I can find is RAL 6020 and RAL 6021. Having never seen the locomotive in person it's quite hard to judge from photos!

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Lonsdaler » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:45 am

Well, Peter - what can I say?
Your output this winter has been prodigious, and I can't add anything original to the praise already expressed. I too have been rewatching Time Team, although via the All4 site, where series 1-12 are available. Most relaxing as well as interesting.
Brougham is also the name of a castle just outside Penrith, also pronounced Broom. And what a 'hansom' model of that carriage you have made :lol:
I'm very familiar with the Manifold Trail, and have always thought that the tunnel section (now a road tunnel) seemed very high compared to its width. Now I know why.
Keep up the good work :thumbup:
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:21 pm

It has been almost a week since my last post and much has happened in that time. All five coaches are now assembled, complete with external overlays, fully painted and lettered, roof panels constructed, along with the clerestory attachments, which have their glazing installed and all fitted with lining material.....
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Only one coach has its seating as the exterior lacquer needs to be applied prior to the windows and inside panels being installed. These have to be fitted before the seats and interior overlays can be put in place.....

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I am really pleased with them and they have been a pleasure to build, as are all Lineside Hut kits.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:11 pm

For comparison, the two liveries I have chosen side by side.....
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One with the clerestory roof carefully balanced on top to see how it looks, I like it!.....





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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by georgesheppard » Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:18 pm

I really like the green! It will inspire my next livery choice I'm sure. The roof is looking good too.

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by ge_rik » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:36 am

Lovely coaches, beautifully finished.
Won't be long before you have to build an extension to store your rolling stock 😊😏

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by FWLR » Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:17 am

Nice Peter. They do look good.

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