Time to build a railway...but where?

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Sat Sep 24, 2022 10:47 pm

The model is now prepared for colour, a primer of red and black as undercoat for me to attempt something for the first time..... using weathering powders.
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After seeing the wonderful example which was done for Jerry to promote his kit, I had very helpful advice from Dave Turner who used this method, and with his permission I attach his photographs to show just how good the finished item can look...
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I hope I can achieve something similar myself.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by philipy » Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:36 am

that is a beautifully high standard to aim for , Peter, but I'm sure you will rise to the challenge successfully.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by FWLR » Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:16 am

I am sure you will Peter. You have a talent that is hard to match, knowing you, you will be more than able to achieve what your brilliant eye for detail can do.

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:49 pm

Nothing to report on the boiler/chassis yet as I haven't tried working with the weathering powders. I do have an assortment of colours but am currently occupied with another build which also needs the same treatment, so I'll tackle them all at the same time. That will be two of these.....
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Another kit from Jerry Irwin; laser cut MDF chassis parts with axles running in roller bearings, one-piece resin printed body with full rivet detail and lifting eyes, a beautiful model, as usual!
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The first will be used to carry batteries, receiver etc. behind this....
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Which builds into this wonderfully detailed locomotive....
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Phil.P » Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:56 pm

Ooooooohhhhh!
:shock: :shock: :love2: :love10:

I am liking that, a lot..

What motor do they supply?
And,
What voltage gives you a sensible speed?

My interest is piqued.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:13 pm

Phil, the motor supplied with the kit is a Faulhaber 2619S012SR-22:1 rated at 12v with twin gearhead driving both axles via Delrin chain....
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Because I have limited space in the rubbish wagon I can only fit five rechargeable AA's giving 6v. I haven't tried it yet as the battery pack has not been delivered, so results will follow later. Also, I might be concerned about the weight, although the loco is a hefty lump and FWD, so should cope.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by FWLR » Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:25 am

Very nice. Hope to see it running on your line soon Peter.

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by ge_rik » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:04 am

That geared motor looks like a neat little unit. I know RS isn't the cheapest supplier, but at £135, I might give it a miss :shock: :?

https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/dc-motors/8734760

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Phil.P » Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:28 am

Hmmm
A 112:1 unit for £112..

I wonder if Peter's 22:1 unit was £22.00?
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Post by Peter Butler » Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:27 pm

I think Rik's price suggestion could be nearer the mark as the 16L04 'Simplex' kit retails at £420.00 (incl vat) and there is not much additional material included. The development and casting must be very expensive though, but I have no experience of that type of work.
For comparison I have searched the Slater's website and discovered some details of the 'Baldwin' kit loco I have. The kit retails at £790.00, of which the motor/gearbox unit (GB40L) retails at £120.00 as a separate item. There is no part number for the 'Simplex' Faulhaber 22:1 motor. so possibly a 'special'?
The Slater's motors seem to start at about £100.00 and range up to about £170.00.
However, the double sprocket (CD02) is available at £13.00 (incl vat).
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This is a handy unit which could be used with Delrin chain on a variety of small locos to give FWD.
I hope you find that useful.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by philipy » Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:58 pm

Back in my P4 days 25/30 years ago, Faulhaber motors were eye wateringly expensive then, so these prices are not totally unexpected, although why anyone would pay those prices for this use is a bit beyond me.

BTW Peter, 5 x 1.2v gives 6v as you say, but when fully charged you actually get something close to 7.5v.
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Post by Peter Butler » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:55 pm

philipy wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 2:58 pm

Peter, 5 x 1.2v gives 6v as you say, but when fully charged you actually get something close to 7.5v.
That's good news Philip, why wasn't I aware of that before?
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Phil.P » Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:14 pm

Thank you Peter, the additional information is useful to know.
The double sprocket does look useful.

Even the Jerry Irwin link proved useful.. I had not considered using superglue like that. So much easier to get it where you want it, than pointing, squeezing, and hoping.

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:46 pm

I spotted this on eBay and couldn't resist.....
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I'm unsure anyone else offers a Dandy wagon, but at £9.50 (plus postage) it looked a bargain. It is a basic kit by a maker new to the scene, 'ma751981'. He is open to suggestions for other unusual items should anyone want something different.
The kit is laser-cut MDF and includes well cut and etched parts, Binnie wheels and axles, bearings, brake handle, chain hooks etc, but not the horse, which is a Schleich Welsh Mare.
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It fits together well and is accompanied by well written and illustrated instructions. It is a lightweight vehicle and the horse is quite heavy in comparison so I added metal wheels and lead weight to the underside.....
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I also added strapping and rivet heads over the etched ones on the wagon sides....
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Post by ge_rik » Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:50 pm

Looks like another fine addition to the fleet - and a bargain!

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by LNR » Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:00 pm

Some body is keen, I like the masking on the wheels. At first I thought it had white rims!
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:10 pm

Yes Grant, the rims are masked ready for painting, but I put the horse before the cart....
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I couldn't have a grey working horse, far too posh!!! So the horse (pony) is now a pale brown with darker mane and tail. All done with acrylics.
The wagon was then spray painted with grey primer in preparation for top coat and some weathering...
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:42 pm

Update on the Simplex build.... the loco itself was finished a while back but in desperate need of a driver. Looking at the available space between the bonnet and brake handle it appeared to be too narrow for a scale 1:19 figure, but there is just enough room for one which I found advertised on eBay by our own David Clavey of this Forum. It is solid cast resin (I think). The position is perfect for the loco with his right arm exactly the correct height for the brake and his left near the gear lever. Even better is the fact that his head is able to be turned to face both ways as required....
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I have other David Clavey figures and can recommend them highly... thank you David.
He arrived yesterday morning and I began painting him immediately.

While the paint dried I made this....
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Really I need a wagon to hold 10 rechargeable AA batteries to power the 12v motor but this turned out to be too small in the end so I converted it into a tool/supply wagon instead. So, another wagon is now on the workbench.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by philipy » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:03 pm

He does indeed fit very well. Well done for finding him.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Phil.P » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:26 pm

Peter, how long do you want the model to run for in a session?
Have you considered 10-off of 'AAA' cells?

These are 800mAh, I can't see your loco pulling excessive amounts of stock, it may be an alternative for you?

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