Time to build a railway...but where?

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:03 pm

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Do the passengers sit astride the seat or back to back?

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Fair question Rik.... I don't know! The only picture I have seen with riding passengers is that of a model with them sitting sideways, that might be correct?
The seat measures 18" wide (on my model) so astride might be very uncomfortable. On second thoughts, comfort was not the number one priority!
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Andrew » Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:32 pm

Hello again!

Just wondering, how do you go about creating the corner strapping on those little flat wagons? I've tried "L" section plastic strip, heating and bending plasticard, and using separate pieces joined with filler, but I don't think I've ever got them looking quite as "right" as yours do.

I was just pondering the matter in relation to a wagon I'm planning at the moment (hopefully the first of five or so WHR slate wagons), then realised I'd seen a very nice example this very evening!

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:35 pm

Aaaaaaargh!!!! I'm being tested now. I will do some investigation into answering your question Andrew, but I don't have the item in front of me now. I will try to explain my methods by saying....
1. I work by instinct.
2. I am the world's worst teacher.
3. I simply can't remember.
Now you have raised the question I will try to work it out in case I need to do it again myself.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Andrew » Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:26 am

Sorry Peter!

Although it would be interesting to know, don't go to too much trouble - I've just realised that the wagons I'm planning won't have room for that sort of strapping because they'd be in the way of the uprights...

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:22 pm

Apologies for the am-dram Andrew, you caught me out with that one.
Having now checked on the corner strapping on those particular wagons it seems I have managed to bend very thin plasticard around the gentle curved corners. I don't pre-heat so it was probably done during warmer weather?
Other wagons, with right-angle corners, have been done in a similar way but some show signs of cracking. Possibly prototypes would too?
I feel sure I have also used separate pieces which overlap at corners, but with gentle sanding and ample solvent most joints can be disguised.
Hope that helps.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:20 pm

How things have changed, and improved, over the years.
I have just received an unbuilt Brandbright kit bought on eBay, which appears to be complete and in good order. It is PS19, freelance panelled five compartment coach. I am surprised to see it is dated June 1993 and I have no previous experience of kits of that time due to my preference for scratch-building.
The first thing to note is the use of card-cut overlays in short sections, before laser-cutting no doubt! The plywood is chunky (3.5mm), compared to modern material, but of good quality. Instructions are basic, although every part is numbered in pencil on the pieces themselves.
I will try to build this according to its intended method as, at thirty years old, it is probably considered 'heritage' so shouldn't be compared to current models. For that reason I will not be making disparaging remarks but commenting on methods used at the time.... an interesting proposition.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Andrew » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:22 am

That's bringing back some memories! I built a carriage from that range in 1991, when I was 16, having purchased it with funds intended to pay for travel to and from post-GCSE work experience after a friend's mum offered to drive us there instead!

I didn't have the skills or experience to make a terribly good job of it back then - I struggled to hide the joins between the overlays, and it entered service with an unpainted shiny plastic roof... I've improved and repainted it a couple of times since, and it looks OK these days, but I'll probably sell it at some point, as it no longer sees any use.

Enjoy your trip back to the 90s!

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:17 pm

Interesting comments Andrew. I had wondered about disguising those joints too as my overlays are painted separately and attached after the main body is painted. Do you have any further advice and pictures please?
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Andrew » Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:54 pm

Peter Butler wrote:
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Interesting comments Andrew. I had wondered about disguising those joints too as my overlays are painted separately and attached after the main body is painted. Do you have any further advice and pictures please?
Hi Peter,

I don't think I've got any pictures of it in its original guise - it was in West Kent Light Railway chocolate and cream livery back then, so I painted the overlays first, as you intend to do. In the last refurbishment it went into all over green, to run with my FR and WHR stock, although ironically it never did, because it was much higher than them and so looked all wrong. A "one colour" livery's much more forgiving, I think I was able to put right some earlier mistakes much more easily than if I'd retained the two-tone one.

As I recall, the cardboard overlays soaked up the paint quite nicely, which made then easier to work - it didn't scuff when sanded as you might expect untreated card to. I reckon you'll have to accept that there's going to be a certain amount of filling, sanding and careful touching up to do after the overlays are attached, don't think it can be avoided?

Sorry, that's not much help - I'm sure you'll get a good finish though... Good luck!

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:50 pm

Despite my earlier comments about building the Brandbright kit as it was intended, that is using the original parts, I have come to the conclusion I would not make a satisfactory job by using the overlays as supplied. I have no doubt that a one colour finish would be successful as they could be applied. joints filled and sanded, sealed then painted, just as Andrew has suggested. My preference is to paint overlays separately and attach later, so to achieve that I have arranged for new overlays to be laser cut, problem solved!
However, I am working on another project which is a sort of free-lance articulated railbus, based very loosely on Irish practise. The main body sections are from Jerry Irwin, one 3 comp. 'Vicky' carriage and a cut-down 'Vicky' carriage with RR bonnet attached as the driver's cab....
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A motor/gearbox unit from PDF Models fits nicely inside the cab and drives a single axle, which will be sufficient...
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Together they look like this...
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Lonsdaler » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:43 pm

That's going to be a very singular railbus! It looks amazing already. What sort of curves will it negotiate with that small gap between tractor and carriage? I'm looking forward to seeing this completed. :sunny: :thumbright:
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Scrat » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:15 am

That´s the good thing about narrow gauge.
Build what you like, it surely has a prototype.

Fascinating railcar.
It seems to have an interesting backstory:
The workshop has taken the effort to replace motor and gearbox in order to get a shorter wheelbase instead of "just replacing the wheels".

I like these "built in our own backyard to suit our needs" style engines.

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Peter Butler » Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:52 pm

Thanks for the comments guys, I think I have teased and confused you just about enough now so more can be revealed...

I showed progress in advance of installing the forward pair of wheels underneath the wings of the bonnet assembly, so the cab will be a four wheeled vehicle, not just two as previously shown.... soon!
The separate vehicles must be flexible enough to allow for horizontal and vertical movement and slight tilt between them in order to stay on track. To achieve this I have fitted a 'Rose' bearing...
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This gives the necessary movement in all directions....
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The major difference to the earlier images is that the finished vehicle will look like this....

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So, in answer to Lonsdaler's question about turning radius, it will be able to do this....
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The only wheels will be on the two driving cabs with the carriage suspended from them. In order to maintain level working one cab has a flat surface which pivots and lifts, whilst the other end does all the twisting etc. to cope with track undulations...
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I hope that make it all clear now, but I might not have explained the action too well as my engineering experience is minimal.
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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by ge_rik » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:28 pm

Another masterpiece, Peter. I like the way it's double ended ...

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Re: Time to build a railway...but where?

Post by Lonsdaler » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:49 am

Oh wow! You show us a brilliant conversion and then double it. Can't wait to see this on the track. :thumbup:
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