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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:58 pm
by Peter Butler
philipy wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:50 pm

Maybe we should have a forum competition for the fastest wagon build? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Strange you should mention that Philip, only yesterday, after reading how you constructed the lifting roof and bending driver in your Austro-Daimler, I thought there was an opportunity to hold a 'Most ingenuity in the use of a 3D printer' competition.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:24 pm
by Andrew
ge_rik wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:38 pm I do like the faded coach livery. Is it off the shelf or mixed?

Rik
Thanks Rik, but I think that's mostly the effect of early morning sunlight!

It's Humbrol matt enamel paint (48, I think, I can check...), with a little dry-brushed grot (mostly just dark grey, to represent rain-streaked soot) and then a coat of Humbrol enamel spray matt varnish. I don't use a wash with carriages, because the thinners lifts the primer. Wagons are generally painted with acrylic, so the diluting agent for a wash is just water with a drop of washing up liquid.

But, as I said, I think the faded effect is the sunshine!

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:39 am
by FWLR
philipy wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:50 pm
FWLR wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:13 am
Andrew wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 11:10 am

Don't tell anyone, but I actually only had the coupling on one end!

It's usually at least 5 months!
:laughing3: :laughing3:
Maybe we should have a forum competition for the fastest wagon build? :lol: :lol: :lol:
That would leave me out then... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:10 am
by Andrew
Morning all!

Here's the coal wagon again, braked, bejeweled, and awaiting a coat of paint. This evening maybe? That will be evening four of my one evening project, but still not bad going, I think...

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Have a good day everyone!

Andrew.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:14 am
by Peter Butler
Lovely job Andrew, looking really chunky now, the primer coat will make such a difference.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:05 pm
by Red Star
Andrew wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:21 am
Red Star wrote: Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:36 pm I like the coal wagon Andrew, I guessimated the dimensions for it as well when I did the 3D printed one - not quite right the first time (too narrow for a start), and then redrew it to try and get it a bit more like the prototype. There was a few bits in one of the Ffestiniog moving pictures (number 59) going through the new stock storage shed which IIRC caught a few glimpses of this wagon, which were handy for the end door detail. Look forward to seeing how this goes.

Andrew
Thank you! I should have said, it was your model that inspired my to build mine!

Size-wise, I think it's about a scale foot too long, and perhaps six inches too tall and wide, and I can live with that. What I can't live with is that the way I'd added angle iron to the opening end meant that the doors on the real thing wouldn't have worked! My line's miniature coal merchants would probably be quite pleased at the extra capacity of my plus-sized wagon, but not at all happy that they couldn't get the coal out of the wagon without climbing into the thing!
Well if it looks right, no one will know... To be fair, my first version doesn't even have any of the end doors added, so I think the coal merchants would have the same problems as yours

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 12:53 pm
by Andrew
Peter Butler wrote: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:14 am the primer coat will make such a difference.
It did!

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I'm not convinced my attempt at lettering has improved anything, but a heavy weathering should hide most of the imperfections, and the bits where the spray didn't reach too! The wagon should also carry instructions re the load, but I can't do lettering that small, so it'll have to do without.

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I'll crack on with the weathering at the weekend - it's too dark after work to avoid working under artificial light, and I try not to do that when weathering because I can't really tell what it looks like...

Cheers all,

Andrew.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:20 pm
by Peter Butler
That is looking great and the hand written lettering is very neat too. A light weathering will finish it off well.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 2:31 pm
by philipy
Coming on well, looking forard to the end result.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:10 pm
by StuartJ
Is the lettering hand painted? Excellent job!

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:41 pm
by Andrew
Yes, it is hand-painted - thank you!

I used a strip of masking tape top and bottom, and to mark out the overall size of each block of lettering. I measured the original lettering from a side-on view of the real thing, then calculated the equivalent sizes on my wagon, although pretty roughly. I drew up the lettering with a pencil, then I got stuck in with the (off) white paint, before tidying up with some grey.

Looking at it now, without a picture of the real thing to compare with, I am quite pleased with it. This side works better than the other - the quality of the lettering is about the same, but on the other side there's no brake lever etc to distract the eye from the dodgy bits!

Cheers,

Andrew.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:04 am
by ge_rik
Really impressive lettering. It's so hard to get the proportions right, and then have a steady enough hand to execute the paint job - both you've achieved really well

Rik

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:55 pm
by Red Star
This'll look fantastic as part of your WHR trains. For lettering I lightly mark the outlines in pencil then paint as well - when I did my standard gauge PO wagon it was very much a case of "right I've started, might as well commit to finishing". Still need to letter my FR coal wagon...

Andrew

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:52 am
by Scrat
Loooks good.
There is one thing that always fascinates me (I first noticed this effect on my 5" geuge wagons): you have a wagon body with "bits put on it". Nails, Rivets, handrails,...That´s how it looks.
Then after the paint is on, it looks like it is one piece.

I would only do a light weathering to that wagon.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:50 am
by LNR
Andrew,
don't know if you were watching Ffestiniog webcams at 9-40 am (your time). A goods train came into Minffordd headed by a small England, with what looked like (to my untrained eye!) two of your recently modelled grey coal wagons in the consist. Also noticed two of the old bolster wagons that Peter modelled so well some time back.
Grant.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:44 am
by Andrew
Scrat wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:52 am There is one thing that always fascinates me (I first noticed this effect on my 5" geuge wagons): you have a wagon body with "bits put on it". Nails, Rivets, handrails,...That´s how it looks.
Then after the paint is on, it looks like it is one piece.
I completely agree! I feel like I don't really know what a model looks like until I add a coat of primer to bring all the bits together.
Scrat wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:52 am I would only do a light weathering to that wagon.
Ah.

Photos at the weekend!

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:54 am
by Andrew
LNR wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:50 am Andrew,
don't know if you were watching Ffestiniog webcams at 9-40 am (your time). A goods train came into Minffordd headed by a small England, with what looked like (to my untrained eye!) two of your recently modelled grey coal wagons in the consist. Also noticed two of the old bolster wagons that Peter modelled so well some time back.
Grant.
No, alas not, I have to at least make a show of working some of the time...

I'll have a look at lunchtime though, as I did yesterday. I think they're running a series of annual (and presumably expensive!) photo charters at the moment, featuring multiple locos and trains. The goods train is looking marvelous, I think. One of the grey wagons is indeed the one I've just attempted - number 166, which was (probably) 23 in pre-preservation days. I think the other one you're looking at is one of the tipplers converted from a 3 ton slate wagon - it was the first wagon in the rake yesterday and has just returned to service. I've built three of those recently too, in collaboration with Philip who produced a wonderful kit of parts for me.

I'm contemplating running a train of all metal-bodied wagons in he coming weeks, featuring the tipplers, the coal wagon, the GPV, the brine tank and the two Croesor tramway opens - there's no historical precedent that I know of, I just like the idea of running a heavy rusty train...

Cheers,

Andrew.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:02 am
by LNR
Yes Andrew, I noticed as the train arrived at Tan y Bwlch that the second grey wagon did look different. Noticed two crew walking either side of the stationary train feeling the axle boxes for heat.
Grant.
PS heavy rusty train sounds the perfect reason to me.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:46 am
by Andrew
Morning all!

Work from home on Thursday gave me extra daylight time at home, so I finished the weathering on the Ffestiniog Coal wagon - and here it is:
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It's not a perfect recreation of the real thing, but I'm pretty happy with it. I was hoping to give it a test run today, but the rain's put me off that idea. Unfortunately, it's less free-running than it was before I painted it. I sprayed it with the axles in place, having pushed the wheels to the middle of the axle to mask them. When I pushed them back they seem to have forced a "sleeve" of paint along the axle ahead of them and into the axleboxes. I'm hoping it'll sort itself out with a little running, because removing the axleboxes now will probably damage them/the body/the paint job. We shall see...

It's back on with the FR van now - I wanted to spray the chassis this morning so headed out into the garden with an umbrella to beat the rain. Hardly best practice, but did anyone ever mind too much about the finish of the underside of goods wagons?

Cheers,

Andrew.

Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:11 pm
by philipy
That rusting is absolutely fantastic!
When I first opened that picture I genuinely thought you had posted a picture of the prototype and expected to see your model below it.