NWNG Railways No.1

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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by Big Jim » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:28 pm

Grease from fingers can affect a paint finish, especially if it has not quite hardened yet. While I do not pretend to understand the chemistry behind it all, I am given to understand that some paints remain quite soft long after they have dried.
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by River Lin » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:52 pm

That is certainly true Jim.
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by River Lin » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:08 pm

As a rough estimate i think i need about 72 slats in total for the 6 3rd class bench seats. I am thinking of 3mm wide and 2mm thick hardwood. This i know i can buy at my local model shop but i am getting satisfaction from cutting my own from larger sections using a Proxxon modellers circular saw. (A treat to myself after Peterborough this year.)
I know it might be classed as a little over the top, but i want them all exactly the same length. I am cutting them slightly over length with a knife and then sanding the ends on a shooting board that takes me back to my GCE woodwork days.
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You can see that i have used this a lot over the past few projects. I have put a panel pin at the appropriate spot on the board so that i can sand one end of the slat lightly, turn it round and then sand the other end of the slat until the sanding block rubs on the end of the board and stops removing wood from the slat.

I then tried to start gluing the slats to the seat frames in the coach but found it too fiddly to hold the endframes in the correct position and to get the ends of the slats overhanging both ends of the frames by the same amount. I then found a low sided wooden box that had square corners and base.
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Using this box, and once i had glued one slat in position with equal overhang at each end, i could hold the seat touching the back and one side of the box and glue all of the other slats in position, each one touching the side of the box thus ensuring that the overhang is the same on all.
Now to get back to cutting and sanding more slats. Only about another 60 to do.
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by markoteal » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:20 pm

The old shooting board! I remember that
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by LNR » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:25 pm

Putting your patience to the test again I see. The end result will be good I'm sure.
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by FWLR » Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:58 am

Looks good, it will be worth all the effort took to get them all looking the same. :thumbright: :thumbright:
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by River Lin » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:48 am

Thats the plan :lol:
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by River Lin » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:06 pm

Hi all.
6 third class seats done.
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72 slats 3mmx2mm were cut to approx length oversize and the ends then sanded to exact length on the shooting board. I made up the 6 seat frames first as in previous picture from the pairs of ends and one slat was added to each, as in the pic, setting the correct overhang at each end.
I didn't, in the end, use a wire spacer to set the gap when gluing the slats. Unless i let each slat dry before gluing the next they started sliding as i pushed the next one up to it with the spacer between. I realised that with 72 slats to glue it would take hours to glue them all.
So For the seat base i used the wooden box to help set in place the front and back slat. 5 minutes later i glued the middle two, setting the gap between the slats by eye. I was happy with the result and did the other five seat bases in the same way.
For the seat back i glued the top and bottom slats in place with the seat lying flat and used the box to set the overhang as before. I then glued in the other four back slats setting the gaps by eye before the glue set. Once dry i then glued the slat on the seat front and the one on the seat back top.
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All the seats fit well into the coach and little Louis decided to try one out for comfort. He seems satisfied.
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Now to think about the 1st class seats. I would like to think padded leather is possible. We shall see. :D
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by LNR » Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:45 pm

Nothing wrong with your eyesight then David. Superb job of lining up the slats, would have thought you did use a jig looking at them. When you originally mentioned the dimensions of the slats I thought they sounded a bit thick, but they look perfect. Buttoned padded seats, now that's the thing!!
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by River Lin » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:07 pm

Hi Grant.
Even though i cut the slats to 2mm thick in obeche hardwood, i don't think i would like to go any thinner as these were quite flexible. I'll be honest and say i broke one while sanding it. :( There might be a tough plywood but i wanted to use hardwood because it looks more realistic, but that's just me.
I can't make up my mind whether to stain them a bit darker but i quite like them as they are.
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by Peter Butler » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:11 pm

LNR wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:45 pm
Buttoned padded seats, now that's the thing!!
Grant.
I can see you get most satisfaction from DIY but there is a helping hand available should you choose it. I fitted out my Observation Car with padded sets which I bought from IP Engineering. They are cast resin in blocks of four seats and easily modified to suit your requirements....
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Saves a lot of work.
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by River Lin » Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:37 pm

That looks very realistic Peter. Certainly worth thinking about.
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by FWLR » Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:55 am

Your seats look brilliant David, great job and well worth the effort you have put in. I like them has they are too. :thumbright: :thumbright:
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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by philipy » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:36 am

River Lin wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:07 pm

I can't make up my mind whether to stain them a bit darker but i quite like them as they are.
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David,
Personally I do think they should be a bit more coloured, not necessarily darker as such.
There ought to be a series of marks where the bodies sit most, i.e in the 4 corners and then couple in between those?

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Re: NWNG Railways No.1

Post by LNR » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:16 am

River Lin said,
I can't make up my mind whether to stain them a bit darker but i quite like them as they are.
I don't know about the UK, but all the slatted seats I've seen are a varnished golden grain colour if that makes sense. It's a while since I've used Obechi but isn't it a fairly pale timber. Perhaps a golden oak colour would best represent many coats of varnish. As ever colour is a very personal choice.
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