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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Andrew » Wed May 20, 2020 6:23 pm

Bowaters do 'em, but only in their preservation guise. If I get stuck (or lazy!) I might see if Jon will sell me the 3D printed guards duckets!

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by angr607 » Wed May 20, 2020 10:57 pm

Andrew wrote:
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Bowaters do 'em, but only in their preservation guise. If I get stuck (or lazy!) I might see if Jon will sell me the 3D printed guards duckets!

Cheers,

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Considering I hadn't seen a image of them pre preservation, a pre preservation kit could happen :) And yes, I'll happily sell the 3D printed Guards Duckets to you if you wanted.

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by LNR » Thu May 21, 2020 2:07 am

That certainly is a characterful carriage Andrew, and it has side steps :mrgreen:
Looking forward to your build.
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Post by ge_rik » Thu May 21, 2020 7:55 am

Clever idea with the magnets - consider it pinched ...... 😉

The new carriage certainly looks characterful! Looking forward to seeing it develop. Disappointed though that you didn't recycle casters for the bogies 😃

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by FWLR » Thu May 21, 2020 8:14 am

Looking forward to another interesting build Andrew. With your skills should be another one that would grace any line...Especially mine... :lol: :lol:
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Post by Andrew » Thu May 21, 2020 10:40 am

LNR wrote:
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and it has side steps
Yep, another opportunity for a little gentle weathering with the sandpaper!

I was looking at pictures of FfR Ashbury carriages 21 and 22 yesterday and noted a quite unusual arrangement of foot boards whereby the two compartments at each end (which have higher floors to accommodate the bogies) have 'em, but the middle three don't. That'll make for an interesting feature when I get round to building one of those - currently scheduled for about 2035...

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Post by Andrew » Thu May 21, 2020 10:42 am

ge_rik wrote:
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Disappointed though that you didn't recycle casters for the bogies 😃
I consider the use of Big Big bogies "up-cycling"! It's certainly up-sizing...

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PS If you fancy the magnet idea you might want to use slightly bigger ones - I reckon my 4mm ones could use a little more oomph...

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Post by ge_rik » Thu May 21, 2020 10:50 am

Andrew wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 10:42 am

PS If you fancy the magnet idea you might want to use slightly bigger ones - I reckon my 4mm ones could use a little more oomph...
Thanks for that tip. I've got assorted sizes I've accumulated over the years, I'll try a couple of the larger ones.

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Andrew » Thu May 21, 2020 11:27 am

angr607 wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 10:57 pm
Considering I hadn't seen a image of them pre preservation, a pre preservation kit could happen :) And yes, I'll happily sell the 3D printed Guards Duckets to you if you wanted.
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Thanks Jon! I'll let you know re the duckets... I really ought to try to make my own, I have done for my last two passenger brakes, but it is a bit of a fiddle...

The Festiniog iBase photo library has some wonderful pictures of the two vans, I'll post some links later...

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Post by Andrew » Thu May 21, 2020 1:57 pm

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The Festiniog iBase photo library has some wonderful pictures of the two vans, I'll post some links later...
So, as promised:

Here's Van 4 at Port: http://217.34.233.120:8086/zoom-item?ke ... NjFNGQ/210

And at Minffordd, in the preservation era but pre-rebuild: http://217.34.233.120:8086/index.php?a= ... jFNGQ/1579

There's a nice one of it on the Cob too, but I can't find that now.

It's essentially similar to how it is now, but with three distinct compartments (3/3/1, with the first nearest the brake end), no observation end windows or corridor connection, and match-boarded below the windows.

Van 5 was the more or less the same, but with an "observation" section instead of the first class compartment, and slightly different duckets. Note that it's shorter than its current guise by one compartment.

See http://217.34.233.120:8086/zoom-item?ke ... NjFNGQ/196

and: http://217.34.233.120:8086/index.php?a= ... jFNGQ/2684

The caption of that last one says that the observation compartment was unglazed, but I'm not sure - I reckon it might have droplights in all the windows, not just the door.

In some ways Van 5 is the more interesting of the pair - I was tempted to go for that one, and I reckon I will build it at some stage, but I really like the neat lines of Van 4 so I'm going to have a crack at that one first.

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by JMORG » Thu May 21, 2020 4:59 pm

I'm almost certain that Van 5 was fully glazed in the obs section. Festipedia states that it was a composite; I imagine the obs section was first, similar to the glazed porthole bug boxes.
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Post by Andrew » Sat May 30, 2020 1:26 pm

Afternoon all!

A little progress to report on my model of FR Van 4...

The model uses 7mm NG Association drawings, which I had the (rare) foresight to photocopy up to 16mm scale before work closed down. They're very good, but inevitably small inaccuracies become much larger ones when you enlarge the drawings, so care needs to be taken. Anyway, I stick 'em on to 1.5mm ply with re-positionable artists' mount spray, then get to work with the Stanley Knife:

Brake 1.jpg

I only had to cut the sides,thanks to Peter B, who I'd contacted for the measurements of Lineside Hut carriage partitions - he's the only person I know with LH carriages, and I wondered about using the partitions to speed up the build process and ensure accuracy, never my strong point. As it turned out, Peter was not only happy to measure them, but also had a whole load of spare ones left over from his build which he kindly offered to send me - thanks Peter!

So here are sides and ends glued together into the basic shape of the carriage:

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The big openings in the sides are where the duckets will go, and the ones in the end are recesses for droplights - these are only internal end walls at the moment, so I've managed to put off cutting the curved windows for a little longer...

Outer ends will be the next job, then there'll be a pause for a stock take. I need some 0.5mm ply for this and another project, which will have to be purchased online at the moment - the postage will be high though, so I want to order anything else I need at the same time.

Anyway, so far, so good. It's a nicely sized and proportioned carriage I think, perhaps surprisingly so considering the real thing started life as a full brake and was only converted into this configuration nearly 50 years after it was built...

Cheers all,

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by JMORG » Sat May 30, 2020 2:57 pm

Looking good so far Andrew!

It'll be interesting to see the next steps.
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Peter Butler » Sat May 30, 2020 4:05 pm

Excellent start Andrew, I always think cutting through ply is a risky business, but as long as you still have the correct number of fingers that's OK.
Looking back at the black/white photograph you posted there is a lot of hardware on there..... handles, grab-rails, window bars, hinges, brackets, step supports etc.... that is a full three course meal of a model to make but it will look superb.
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by ge_rik » Sat May 30, 2020 8:35 pm

You seem to have a really good hand and eye. Those coach sides look very crisp and clean-cut.

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