Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by Andrew » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:04 pm

Lovely wagons, and it sounds like plans for the railway are progressing nicely too - it's all coming together!

And my wife has a similar view to yours by the sounds of things - a railway line meandering through the flowerbeds is one thing, but a village of quaint cottages looking like they belong to families of gnomes is another...

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by IrishPeter » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:44 am

I like both the KSR's KC tanks, which in their 'as built' form resemble big brothers of the Rheidol 2-6-2Ts, and the 0-4-2Ts that preceded them. I also like their early four wheel passenger stock, as well as the aluminium panelled coaches from the mid-1920s. Of course, the intriguing 'might-have-been' for he who likes 'might-have-beens' Is the fact the KSR was originally intended to be 2' gauge, but the Indian Army put the kibosh on that idea after construction began in favour of 2'6" gauge but no-one seems to be absolutely sure when the switch was made.

In fairness, Gnometown might get me off the hook with the Missus who likes them. However, I think wife's prohibition of "Toytown" is more a case of "ask before you build" rather than an absolute ban. I am going with the idea that she wants free exercise of the right of veto on any structures that are left in position permanently. It seems I have been granted permission for removeable structures that can go on shelves somewhere when not in use. I broached the idea of remodelling the garden with some small flower beds inside the spirals, and gooseneck curves, and that seemed to get some fairly enthusiastic response as she is teetering on the edge of getting rid of the old rectangular flower bed anyway.

Very much a case of watch this space!

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Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by Peter Butler » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:34 am

Hi Peter, I think I must agree with your wife about 'Toytown', I'm sure with your knowledge and skills with creating prototypical railway stock she expects no less than an accurate and well presented infrastructure.
I do have trouble imagining how you can integrate the gnomes though!
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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by FWLR » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:48 am

Peter Butler wrote: ↑
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I do have trouble imagining how you can integrate the gnomes though!

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by philipy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:36 pm

Peter Butler wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:34 am

I do have trouble imagining how you can integrate the gnomes though!
Integrated gnomes!
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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by Peter Butler » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:28 pm

philipy wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:36 pm
Peter Butler wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:34 am

I do have trouble imagining how you can integrate the gnomes though!
Integrated gnomes!
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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by IrishPeter » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:36 pm

Peter Butler wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:34 am
Hi Peter, I think I must agree with your wife about 'Toytown', I'm sure with your knowledge and skills with creating prototypical railway stock she expects no less than an accurate and well presented infrastructure.
I do have trouble imagining how you can integrate the gnomes though!
My construction methods are decidedly at the light railway end of the spectrum, but that tends to reduce the impact on the garden, so all is good from the missus' point of view. The 24' by 14' area in the angle between the dining room and the kitchen is out of sight enough that I won't have too many planning permission problems, so I am planning to put the main station there, and work in a continuous run in what is, to all intends and purposes, the only reasonably flat bit. It will have to run at about 2' off the ground to ease operating, but like I said, it is reasonably hidden.

After that I will keep it fairly lightweight going up the hill to reduce the visual impact until I reach the shed. I have a plan to put a couple of storage roads in there, so I won't have to lug everything up from Nibelheim when I want to play trains. The top station will be behind the shed, and thus out of Herself's line of sight from the kitchen window. If I put it there it will give me an incentive to deal with a scrubby corner of the garden. The only potentially controversial bit will be the mid-point station, which is likely to be a loop with a siding trailing off one end KSR style - if I can afford a 14' break in the climb, and still make it to the shed. That will be in line of sight, but if I keep the buildings down to a removeable small station and goods shed, put away when not operating, so all should be good. Another point I have to consider is the amount of 'shelling' that the backyard gets from black walnuts/squirrels. Any building left outside close to the trees will need to be able to survive a direct hit from a walnut from anything up to 60' up!

Philipy - I like the integrated gnomes. :D

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Peter in Va
Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by philipy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:51 pm

I'm told by SWMBO that gnome stands for Guarding Naturally Over Mother Earth.

Sorry Peter, you can have your thread back now! :oops:

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by IrishPeter » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:32 am

I like your explanation of G-N-O-M-E.

I managed to get a good bit of a second steel bodied van built over the weekend despite the fact that I was, as usual, moderately busy. Modelling time tends to be an hour here and an hour there, but that works rather well when you are waiting for things to dry. I drew the van out Friday evening, then cut the sides and ends, and made the underframe Saturday. Sunday evening I managed to get the angle iron framing attached to the basic body, then today it has been doors, door catches, and HINGES. The roof was laminated, so tomorrow it will be handbrake gear - about a 20 minute job, and then I shall have to put it aside until Thursday when the weather forecast claims it will be warm enough to spray paint outdoors. They were forecasting snow showers for tonight!

Question now is, 'what do I do to occupy my mental health breaks until Thursday?' I am almost to the point where I think I need to build a carriage for the walking freight, but on the whole I am a bit too fond of starting carriages and never finishing them, so perhaps prudence dictates another open. However, the KSR had some interesting four wheelers in the early days, though the thirds were the typical 'knee zipper' compartment stock of the era, looking decidedly ungenerous in their dimensions. The were probably as short as 15,' but they could have been as much as 17,' which would have made them about as roomy as any narrow gauge stock in the UK of GB&I.

The firsts look as though they had a non-smoking compartment, and a small smoking saloon. The small saloon is suggested by the fact they had seven windows, including the two doors, a side. They are definitely different to the usual DHR bug box. The other early KSR vehicle that packed a lot of character in a small space was the combined Mail and Guard's Van. This looks like a stretched version of the DHR vehicle of the period, and of course, it sits higher. There was also an interesting little saloon with a balcony at one end, and a 'deck light' in the roof, which may have been an officials saloon, as it seems to be a one off, though pictures of the KSR from 1903-1907 are few and far between. None of them look to have been more than 15' or 15'6" long, but the photos are a bit short on features to scale from. Certainly, I am incline to think they are 14 or 15 foot long when I compare them to the steel vans.

Rather unhelpfully the only dimension I have been able to turn up for them was from a description in "Indian English" that described them as "17' buffer to buffer" leaving it a bit unclear - at least to me - whether they were 17' over the buffers, or 17' over the headstocks. If the former, then they were about 14'6" or 15' over the body allowing about 12" - 15" each of the ABC couplings on either end of the vehicle. Can anyone shed any light on this?

More pondering required...

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Peter in Va.
Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by invicta280 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:32 pm

Peter Butler wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:28 pm
philipy wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:36 pm
Peter Butler wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:34 am

I do have trouble imagining how you can integrate the gnomes though!
Integrated gnomes!
My trigger finger is itching already!
Haha! I used to live in a town in New Zealand that suffered ( if that is the right word) from a rogue shooter who would strike at night shooting the heads off of garden gnomes with a .22 cal rifle.

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