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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Wed May 05, 2021 9:46 pm
by georgesheppard
Peter Butler wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 9:35 pm I did exactly the same with mine, and I think it looks good too!

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Great minds Peter!!

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:25 pm
by georgesheppard
Today I found some time to get the bogies and chassis primed. After the first coat extensive additional filling was required. I’m quite happy with the finish now. I could tidy up further but I have to keep reminding myself no one will generally be looking at it only a few cm away!

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sat May 15, 2021 9:28 pm
by georgesheppard
I’m having a bit of a dilemma with paint choices. I had previously ordered some samples of RAL 6020 and RAL 6021, which seemed to be the closest standard colours I could find. Looking at photos online it seems a reasonable match but struggling to find much information of what the colours actually should be.

Any one have any pointers?

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 11:12 am
by TonyW
The full-size loco wears BR Loco Green (dark) and Sherwood Green (light).

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 12:03 pm
by georgesheppard
Thanks Tony! I took a trip to Halfords earlier and found what I thought was a good match

Dark - Vauxhall pine green
Light - Vauxhall Reed green

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Looking at railmatch colours the match looks good.

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Now I’m really torn!

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 12:07 pm
by philipy
This graphically illustrates the problems and pitfalls of trying to colour match using a computer screen! In your photo the dark green of the prototype looks almost black on my laptop and the light green has a brownish tinge.
To my eyes, your Rattle Can colours look pretty good but given what my screen has done to the other two, who knows?

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 12:24 pm
by JMORG
Once you give it some weathering and a matt finish it'll look fine, the real Funkey lives outside and (according to the recent diesel line-up on Moving Pictures) it's in need of a repaint at some point anyway as it's looking tired.

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 1:30 pm
by Tingewickmax
Be careful when using Halford's cap coulors as a guide to colour matching - they no longer, like the old fully painted caps, directly represent the actual colour but might be described as a bit "generic" instead. Also take them outside into the daylight, even given the noted limitations.

Having come from a hobby many years ago now, model racing cars, where colour matches were always given with any kit - in some cases a particular colour match could become so established it would be universally used by kit builders and "mass" producers - it has always surprised me the dearth of information supplied by kit makers in the 16/15 mm NG railway world. With the Vale of Ffestiniog it was pretty clear there was a homage to the old BR two tone diesel going on and the matching information for SG stock is well established. Everything else ? I find Roundhouse/Phoenix Capri Blue for Darjeeling subjects a bit suspect when I compare to other similarly liveried stock.

Little story about how mistakes can be made - A noted model car maker released a subject depicting a well known Indy 500 winner. Most knew it to be a bright orange, this model was salmon pink ! Why ? Well, the makers had diligently done their research, at the Indianapolis museum itself where the car resided. The problem was all the pictures were taken inside the museum and under the prevailing florescent lighting. Now, if you photograph a bright orange subject under (blue) florescent light you will end up with salmon pink. Don't just do your own research but check against know published material if you can. Admittedly this was some 30 years ago , before the days of the WWW. There are now an awful lot of easily accessed published pictures of that car in the daylight. Then, the maker only looked had their own source material as they thought they had nailed it by going to the museum. Doh !. Max

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 3:38 pm
by georgesheppard
Tingewickmax wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 1:30 pm Be careful when using Halford's cap coulors as a guide to colour matching - they no longer, like the old fully painted caps, directly represent the actual colour but might be described as a bit "generic" instead. Also take them outside into the daylight, even given the noted limitations.

Having come from a hobby many years ago now, model racing cars, where colour matches were always given with any kit - in some cases a particular colour match could become so established it would be universally used by kit builders and "mass" producers - it has always surprised me the dearth of information supplied by kit makers in the 16/15 mm NG railway world. With the Vale of Ffestiniog it was pretty clear there was a homage to the old BR two tone diesel going on and the matching information for SG stock is well established. Everything else ? I find Roundhouse/Phoenix Capri Blue for Darjeeling subjects a bit suspect when I compare to other similarly liveried stock.

Little story about how mistakes can be made - A noted model car maker released a subject depicting a well known Indy 500 winner. Most knew it to be a bright orange, this model was salmon pink ! Why ? Well, the makers had diligently done their research, at the Indianapolis museum itself where the car resided. The problem was all the pictures were taken inside the museum and under the prevailing florescent lighting. Now, if you photograph a bright orange subject under (blue) florescent light you will end up with salmon pink. Don't just do your own research but check against know published material if you can. There are and awful lot of published pictures of that car in the daylight, the maker only looked art their own source material as they thought they had nailed it by going to the museum. Doh !. Max
Thanks for the insight Max! I sprayed another piece of balsa-wood with the Vauxhall paints I purchased and I think the colour match is looking pretty good!

Photo of sprayed paint on the left, railmatch online colours on the right.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 3:47 pm
by TonyW
georgesheppard wrote: Sun May 16, 2021 3:38 pm... I think the colour match is looking pretty good!
So do I.

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 4:30 pm
by Tingewickmax
You have a good eye for colour. Max

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 16, 2021 6:30 pm
by ge_rik
To my mind it looks pretty much perfect. But then, as you know, I'm very much a a student of the " as long as it looks right then it is right" school.


Rik

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Mon May 17, 2021 11:10 pm
by River Lin
Hi all.
Just a tip from me. When buying a rattle can from your local car parts dealer, always flip off the cap and check that it has not been used and then not inverted to clear the nozzle. My thoughts are of unscrupulous modellers asking to take a can outside to check colour in daylight and having a little spray. Deciding it is not right, taking it back in to the shop and putting it back on the shelf with the distinct possibility of paint now blocking the nozzle.
Just a thought.
David.

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 7:48 am
by Jimmyb
River Lin wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 11:10 pm Hi all.
Just a tip from me. When buying a rattle can from your local car parts dealer, always flip off the cap and check that it has not been used and then not inverted to clear the nozzle. My thoughts are of unscrupulous modellers asking to take a can outside to check colour in daylight and having a little spray. Deciding it is not right, taking it back in to the shop and putting it back on the shelf with the distinct possibility of paint now blocking the nozzle.
Just a thought.
David.
Although a valid point Hycote, which is the brand I use, now has security seals around the cap to prevent the cap being removed, an issue they obviously also identified.

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 8:12 am
by georgesheppard
The rattle cans I purchased from Halfords all had security seals which were intact.

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 9:34 am
by Tingewickmax
I have noticed that the move to rattle can paint suppliers applying tape to lids seems to have started with the move away from caps that required the twist of a screwdriver blade to remove - i.e. a secure self sealing system. In over 45 years of buying rattle cans, primers, colour coats and lacquers (you can get through a lot in the model racing car world) I cannot remember encountering a "pre-used" can at any time. Had a few with faults but no evidence of prior use. While I am sure there might be instances I think the reason is more to ensure the cap remains secured to the body, given how they are stored and handled and the now prevalent practice of using caps without a built in securing devise. Ruined stock and customers' clothing cleaning and replacement bills or worse comes to mind. But with the practice now of using "generic" colour markers rather that the actual colour sprayed on the cap there is a bit of a temptation now. Those Halfords tapes are very easy to remove and replace.

Doing colour tests, a little tip - Always use the suggested primer too. It can affect the final colour's appearance quite markedly, as can a lacquer coat. Especially if the the paint tint is not as opaque as it might be. Also check in the natural light outside. I came unstuck on a brace of GRS modern WHR saloons. Indoors it all look great, get it outdoors and that nice dark maroon Toyota Red 3E5 seems to be a nicer shade of red. Hmm, what to do - I've got a couple of Bowaters modern WHR cars to do, a service car and a semi open. Do I go for the old get out, "they have been in service for a while" and just correct on the new ones, or match, or even a total respray. Then again perhaps I should have emailed the WHR and asked them what they used first. Max

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 8:03 pm
by georgesheppard
I managed to find a break in the rain over the weekend and made a start on painting the cab ends. The first coat has highlighted some gaps that will require more filler, it’ll take a few more coats of primer to get a decent finish I think.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 8:07 pm
by georgesheppard
I managed to finish the bogies so can now continue with fitting the gear box and motors. I decided to use a semi gloss finish, aiming for a ‘factory fresh’ finish.


The 3D printed parts have come out ok after a bit of filler, several coats of primer and a couple of top coats.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 8:04 am
by Jimmyb
For my IP engineering Railcar, I applied a coat (or two) of sanding sealer by hand on the wooden components, I found this filled the grain nicely, whilst leaving the detail.

Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 8:03 pm
by georgesheppard
I've now completed the bogies and they're ready to be fitted to the chassis once I've finished painting it.

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