Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by Tingewickmax » Tue May 18, 2021 9:34 am

I have noticed that the move to rattle can paint suppliers applying tape to lids seems to have started with the move away from caps that required the twist of a screwdriver blade to remove - i.e. a secure self sealing system. In over 45 years of buying rattle cans, primers, colour coats and lacquers (you can get through a lot in the model racing car world) I cannot remember encountering a "pre-used" can at any time. Had a few with faults but no evidence of prior use. While I am sure there might be instances I think the reason is more to ensure the cap remains secured to the body, given how they are stored and handled and the now prevalent practice of using caps without a built in securing devise. Ruined stock and customers' clothing cleaning and replacement bills or worse comes to mind. But with the practice now of using "generic" colour markers rather that the actual colour sprayed on the cap there is a bit of a temptation now. Those Halfords tapes are very easy to remove and replace.

Doing colour tests, a little tip - Always use the suggested primer too. It can affect the final colour's appearance quite markedly, as can a lacquer coat. Especially if the the paint tint is not as opaque as it might be. Also check in the natural light outside. I came unstuck on a brace of GRS modern WHR saloons. Indoors it all look great, get it outdoors and that nice dark maroon Toyota Red 3E5 seems to be a nicer shade of red. Hmm, what to do - I've got a couple of Bowaters modern WHR cars to do, a service car and a semi open. Do I go for the old get out, "they have been in service for a while" and just correct on the new ones, or match, or even a total respray. Then again perhaps I should have emailed the WHR and asked them what they used first. Max

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Sun May 23, 2021 8:03 pm

I managed to find a break in the rain over the weekend and made a start on painting the cab ends. The first coat has highlighted some gaps that will require more filler, it’ll take a few more coats of primer to get a decent finish I think.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Sun May 23, 2021 8:07 pm

I managed to finish the bogies so can now continue with fitting the gear box and motors. I decided to use a semi gloss finish, aiming for a ‘factory fresh’ finish.


The 3D printed parts have come out ok after a bit of filler, several coats of primer and a couple of top coats.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by Jimmyb » Mon May 24, 2021 8:04 am

For my IP engineering Railcar, I applied a coat (or two) of sanding sealer by hand on the wooden components, I found this filled the grain nicely, whilst leaving the detail.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Sat May 29, 2021 8:03 pm

I've now completed the bogies and they're ready to be fitted to the chassis once I've finished painting it.

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Post by georgesheppard » Sat May 29, 2021 8:04 pm

Painting the chassis is going well so far.

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Post by ge_rik » Sun May 30, 2021 8:18 am

The finish on those bogies looks to be flawless. Can't wait to see the completed model.

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Post by Lonsdaler » Sun May 30, 2021 2:03 pm

You've achieved wonders with the bogies, considering the state of some of the printed items in the beginning, and the chassis is looking good too. :thumbup:
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Post by georgesheppard » Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:40 pm

With some effort managed to get the roofs fitted and primed. The chassis painting is finished bar lacquer. Still a little tidying up on the bodies required before painting (which I'm not looking forward to!) then I can fit the electrics! Shame I don't have a layout to test this on...


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Post by River Lin » Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:28 pm

Hi George.
When you fit the electrics are you going for the full forward/reverse lighting setup. It entails a lot of wiring and led fitting but the effort is well rewarded. I used the electronics supplied by Yatton including the sound card option. If you get into difficulty i found John at Yatton to be a very helpful chap to talk to. I had trouble with my transmitter so he asked me to send it back to him and he returned it to me fixed within the week.
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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

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River Lin wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:28 pm Hi George.
When you fit the electrics are you going for the full forward/reverse lighting setup. It entails a lot of wiring and led fitting but the effort is well rewarded. I used the electronics supplied by Yatton including the sound card option. If you get into difficulty i found John at Yatton to be a very helpful chap to talk to. I had trouble with my transmitter so he asked me to send it back to him and he returned it to me fixed within the week.
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I am indeed! I've sourced a separate sound card but have the Yatton receiver & transmitter as the main electronics 'hub'. Phil from RC trains is putting together a wiring loom for me that will hopefully simplify some of the wiring requirements!

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Post by River Lin » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:45 pm

Hi George.
Here is my 'VoF' minus a few body details. Although 4 motors were included with the kit I only fitted 1 in each bogie as I considered this was more than enough power for my limited stock. I can easily fit the other 2 later if necessary.
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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:59 pm

Both bodies masked up and ready for painting.


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I've now finished one side, looking at photos of the locomotive from above it seems the roof is part green part silver - so I've tried to replicate that. I've almost finished the other side now too. I'm waiting on nameplates as well as finding some welsh dragon decals which I'll need to fit before giving the paintwork a coat of lacquer, then I can fit the windows + frames. I need to fit the railings too but decided they'd be easier to paint and fit separately from painting the front in yellow.


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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by Tingewickmax » Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:52 pm

Coming on nicely. Fox has dragons in different sizes. I got mine from there and it's just about a perfect fit. I bought the 7 mm scale https://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/catalog ... /?q=Dragon

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Post by TonyW » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:18 am

georgesheppard wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:59 pm... looking at photos of the locomotive from above it seems the roof is part green part silver ...
The silver section is a new thing, the roof used to be all green.
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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by River Lin » Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:13 pm

Hi George.
That is starting to look lovely.
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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:19 pm

A few more photos to show current progress. I'm not happy with how the front 'yellow' lights are looking but have a plan to tidy them up. Everything else is looking good though I think! Does anyone have any suggestions for what to use for vacuum pipes?

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by Tingewickmax » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:51 pm

Vacuum pipes - Both following methods involve electrical shrink wrap. Either obtain a compression spring of the right diameter (soap pumps are a good source), cut to length and insert bent brass rod for shape and locating, then shrink the wrap over the spring.....or,,,,, use suitably sized long chipboard screw, bend to shape and cut to length (removing as much of the shank and tapered end as possible. again encapsulate in shrink wrap, of appropriate size, and heat.

You can also buy a length of tension spring material, 3 mm OD should do it, available from model engineer suppliers and Ebay. Cut to length add some brass rod/wood dowel in the ends to locate to buffer beam. Dean Goods do some nice high resolution 3D printed items, for L&B stock, about the right size, although you would have to remove the stand pipes. Resurgam and Bowaters may sell you the items they use. Max

Edit - I have just noticed the "vacuum" pipe on this loco looks like a plain silver hose in some shots, not the usual ribbed type. so a bit of 3 mm neoprene tube painted up should do. Then again.........It appears to have been fitted with both types.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by Andrew » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:40 pm

You can see my method of making vacuum pipes here https://gardenrails.org/forum/viewtopic ... &start=135, just scroll to halfway down the page. Apologies for the photobucket branding...

It's probably not as accurate as some methods, but it's quick, cheap and easy!

Your model's coming along beautifully, by the way - an attractive model of an attractive loco...

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:51 pm

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I wrapped the front light fittings with some plasticard. Once I’ve drilled out the holes for the LEDs I might give it one last coat of yellow.

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