Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Wed May 05, 2021 9:46 pm

Peter Butler wrote:
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I did exactly the same with mine, and I think it looks good too!

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Sat May 15, 2021 9:25 pm

Today I found some time to get the bogies and chassis primed. After the first coat extensive additional filling was required. I’m quite happy with the finish now. I could tidy up further but I have to keep reminding myself no one will generally be looking at it only a few cm away!

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Sat May 15, 2021 9:28 pm

I’m having a bit of a dilemma with paint choices. I had previously ordered some samples of RAL 6020 and RAL 6021, which seemed to be the closest standard colours I could find. Looking at photos online it seems a reasonable match but struggling to find much information of what the colours actually should be.

Any one have any pointers?

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by TonyW » Sun May 16, 2021 11:12 am

The full-size loco wears BR Loco Green (dark) and Sherwood Green (light).
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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Sun May 16, 2021 12:03 pm

Thanks Tony! I took a trip to Halfords earlier and found what I thought was a good match

Dark - Vauxhall pine green
Light - Vauxhall Reed green

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Looking at railmatch colours the match looks good.

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Now I’m really torn!

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Post by philipy » Sun May 16, 2021 12:07 pm

This graphically illustrates the problems and pitfalls of trying to colour match using a computer screen! In your photo the dark green of the prototype looks almost black on my laptop and the light green has a brownish tinge.
To my eyes, your Rattle Can colours look pretty good but given what my screen has done to the other two, who knows?

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Post by JMORG » Sun May 16, 2021 12:24 pm

Once you give it some weathering and a matt finish it'll look fine, the real Funkey lives outside and (according to the recent diesel line-up on Moving Pictures) it's in need of a repaint at some point anyway as it's looking tired.
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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by Tingewickmax » Sun May 16, 2021 1:30 pm

Be careful when using Halford's cap coulors as a guide to colour matching - they no longer, like the old fully painted caps, directly represent the actual colour but might be described as a bit "generic" instead. Also take them outside into the daylight, even given the noted limitations.

Having come from a hobby many years ago now, model racing cars, where colour matches were always given with any kit - in some cases a particular colour match could become so established it would be universally used by kit builders and "mass" producers - it has always surprised me the dearth of information supplied by kit makers in the 16/15 mm NG railway world. With the Vale of Ffestiniog it was pretty clear there was a homage to the old BR two tone diesel going on and the matching information for SG stock is well established. Everything else ? I find Roundhouse/Phoenix Capri Blue for Darjeeling subjects a bit suspect when I compare to other similarly liveried stock.

Little story about how mistakes can be made - A noted model car maker released a subject depicting a well known Indy 500 winner. Most knew it to be a bright orange, this model was salmon pink ! Why ? Well, the makers had diligently done their research, at the Indianapolis museum itself where the car resided. The problem was all the pictures were taken inside the museum and under the prevailing florescent lighting. Now, if you photograph a bright orange subject under (blue) florescent light you will end up with salmon pink. Don't just do your own research but check against know published material if you can. Admittedly this was some 30 years ago , before the days of the WWW. There are now an awful lot of easily accessed published pictures of that car in the daylight. Then, the maker only looked had their own source material as they thought they had nailed it by going to the museum. Doh !. Max
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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Sun May 16, 2021 3:38 pm

Tingewickmax wrote:
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Be careful when using Halford's cap coulors as a guide to colour matching - they no longer, like the old fully painted caps, directly represent the actual colour but might be described as a bit "generic" instead. Also take them outside into the daylight, even given the noted limitations.

Having come from a hobby many years ago now, model racing cars, where colour matches were always given with any kit - in some cases a particular colour match could become so established it would be universally used by kit builders and "mass" producers - it has always surprised me the dearth of information supplied by kit makers in the 16/15 mm NG railway world. With the Vale of Ffestiniog it was pretty clear there was a homage to the old BR two tone diesel going on and the matching information for SG stock is well established. Everything else ? I find Roundhouse/Phoenix Capri Blue for Darjeeling subjects a bit suspect when I compare to other similarly liveried stock.

Little story about how mistakes can be made - A noted model car maker released a subject depicting a well known Indy 500 winner. Most knew it to be a bright orange, this model was salmon pink ! Why ? Well, the makers had diligently done their research, at the Indianapolis museum itself where the car resided. The problem was all the pictures were taken inside the museum and under the prevailing florescent lighting. Now, if you photograph a bright orange subject under (blue) florescent light you will end up with salmon pink. Don't just do your own research but check against know published material if you can. There are and awful lot of published pictures of that car in the daylight, the maker only looked art their own source material as they thought they had nailed it by going to the museum. Doh !. Max
Thanks for the insight Max! I sprayed another piece of balsa-wood with the Vauxhall paints I purchased and I think the colour match is looking pretty good!

Photo of sprayed paint on the left, railmatch online colours on the right.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by TonyW » Sun May 16, 2021 3:47 pm

georgesheppard wrote:
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... I think the colour match is looking pretty good!
So do I.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by Tingewickmax » Sun May 16, 2021 4:30 pm

You have a good eye for colour. Max

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Post by ge_rik » Sun May 16, 2021 6:30 pm

To my mind it looks pretty much perfect. But then, as you know, I'm very much a a student of the " as long as it looks right then it is right" school.


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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by River Lin » Mon May 17, 2021 11:10 pm

Hi all.
Just a tip from me. When buying a rattle can from your local car parts dealer, always flip off the cap and check that it has not been used and then not inverted to clear the nozzle. My thoughts are of unscrupulous modellers asking to take a can outside to check colour in daylight and having a little spray. Deciding it is not right, taking it back in to the shop and putting it back on the shelf with the distinct possibility of paint now blocking the nozzle.
Just a thought.
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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by Jimmyb » Tue May 18, 2021 7:48 am

River Lin wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 11:10 pm
Hi all.
Just a tip from me. When buying a rattle can from your local car parts dealer, always flip off the cap and check that it has not been used and then not inverted to clear the nozzle. My thoughts are of unscrupulous modellers asking to take a can outside to check colour in daylight and having a little spray. Deciding it is not right, taking it back in to the shop and putting it back on the shelf with the distinct possibility of paint now blocking the nozzle.
Just a thought.
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Although a valid point Hycote, which is the brand I use, now has security seals around the cap to prevent the cap being removed, an issue they obviously also identified.

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Re: Yatton Models - Vale of Ffestiniog

Post by georgesheppard » Tue May 18, 2021 8:12 am

The rattle cans I purchased from Halfords all had security seals which were intact.

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