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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:29 pm

Took the day off work, up at 4.30 am, 2 hours drive to Gympie. Spent the day on RM2017/RM2023 (RM2000 class railmotors) with fellow trainees, Stan and Greg and our Tutor John.
The arvo was topped off with two trips on the first staff section to Monkland. This section was part of the old north coast mainline until the deviation (to avoid the steep twisty climb into Gympie) was in place Circa 1989.
It was 45 years after my last time I was in a railmotor on that section of line visiting my Grand Parents in Gympie and who would have thought I would drive one many years later. Later we progress down the old Brooloo branch line that once left the mainline just south of Monkland. My fellow trainee Stan was the last station master at Monkland when it was cut off the mainline and closed.
Got home at 7.00pm and then enjoyed two glasses of red. A nice day, living the dream !
One hiccup due to the terrible drought the whole of the eastern Australia is currently suffering, steam loco training may be postponed due to the fuel loads beside the track. The Rattler Railway does not want to burn down the Mary Valley on its first week of training or passenger services. Which might mean more Diseasel training and RM2000 training.


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Me having a go.

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I am also signed up for "Red Rocket" training int eh months to come (1930s built RM76) which has a crash gear box.

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Living the dream.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:45 pm

Good for you Dazza, I'm pleased for you but not so sure about Flash Gordon's can of beans... much prefer the Red Rocket!
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by TonyW » Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:04 am

Hydrostatic Dazza wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:29 pm
Me having a go.
That'll be a British United Traction power handle ... as used on a lot of UK DMUs.

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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Keith S » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:48 am

The drought is evident by the poorly-looking planter hanging on the station eaves in the first picture!

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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:25 am

TonyW wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:04 am
Hydrostatic Dazza wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:29 pm
Me having a go.
That'll be a British United Traction power handle ... as used on a lot of UK DMUs.
Yes, when they built them they imported many of such parts. These units have Rolls Royce 150 hp diesels live under each unit. Some had AEC engines.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:31 am

Peter Butler wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:45 pm
Good for you Dazza, I'm pleased for you but not so sure about Flash Gordon's can of beans... much prefer the Red Rocket!

Awhhh, they are now over 50 years old and much loved here in Queensland
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by FWLR » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:22 am

That Red Rocket is a fine looking old girl…. :thumbright:
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Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:17 am

FWLR wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:22 am
That Red Rocket is a fine looking old girl…. :thumbright:
ah she is, and I get to start the process of learning how to be part of her life. Who would have thought I would be interested in getting in the sack with Diseasel power................ :P
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:46 am

For years I have heard about the black art of coal fired live steam in the garden gauges. The trials and tribulations of coaxing coal fired locos to move................ blah blah blah................................................
Well I have seen the proof that it as is as easy as can be imagined, better than the Butane burners, Metho drinkers etc.
Just do it the right way.
Due to fire bans and controlled fuel reduction burns in the Mary Valley the steam loco training etc was canned this weekend, so I went 15 minutes up the with a couple of railway mates to the QSMEE track and Tent run. (goes for for three days and a few nights) A few knocked up a small 32-45mm gauge loop in the grounds (big ground level 5 and 7 1/4 ground level and elevated track) and I met up with Andrew Alison who had his "Jack" loco there. The one that has a wet leg boiler featured in AME mag last year and my inspiration for my locos boiler. This loco is a coal fired wet leg boiler that proves that coal fired is very simple, reliable and easy to do. His Wet Leg boiler steams like a Witch! Blew the Butane burners off the track while towing many kgs of lead loaded trucks. Two tube boiler, wet leg, Rose bud grate that he burns coal of all types, and or char, I would not be surprised if it would steam on decomposed granite. In minutes, with no fuss, with less nonchalance than making a mandane cup of tea, he fills the boiler to the brim, bombed the fire box with char and away it went with many kgs in tow with trucks with plain bearings. Often he had to open the fire door to stop it blowing off. 20 mins runs were not a problem on one boiler fill of water. The Round House Cylinders and valve gear, nothing special, it is just that this is the boiler type/design for coal firing in the narrow gauge garden gauges is the way to go. After reading all the harrowing tales of coal firing I am fully convinced
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Looks just like a hard worked industrial loco, because it is what it is.

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I would like to thank Andrew for his time and knowledge sharing today. Very much appreciated by this silly spud. Marvellous, thanks Andrew.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by tom_tom_go » Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:01 am

My Riverdale boiler is similar with two large fire tubes rather than loads of small ones that take up space for water and get blocked easier.

I am very comfortable coal firing now and I didn't grow up with coal fired anything.

Great looking loco, are there any videos of it running or firing it up from cold?

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Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:51 pm

tom_tom_go wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:01 am
My Riverdale boiler is similar with two large fire tubes rather than loads of small ones that take up space for water and get blocked easier.

I am very comfortable coal firing now and I didn't grow up with coal fired anything.

Great looking loco, are there any videos of it running or firing it up from cold?
No videos, I was too busy flapping my gums.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by FWLR » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:56 am

If I had the courage and the money I think I would go for a coal fired loco also. The courage to operate one would be a personal challenge, mainly because my older brother builds his own 3 1/2 inch and 5 inch locos and he classes our 16mm stuff has Micky Mouse. so I would love to show him that a 16mm would run and pull in relation to scale just has much as his bigger stuff.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:54 am

FWLR wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:56 am
If I had the courage and the money I think I would go for a coal fired loco also. The courage to operate one would be a personal challenge, mainly because my older brother builds his own 3 1/2 inch and 5 inch locos and he classes our 16mm stuff has Micky Mouse. so I would love to show him that a 16mm would run and pull in relation to scale just has much as his bigger stuff.
The, "they are smaller than my dick so they are toys " gets a big SIGH from me!
All scales are toys. Ponder. If one gives some thought to the philosophy of a particular crossover point of “being a toy to not a being a toy” linked to scale then it is realised that it is a flawed concept and usually a result of subjective bias due to ignorance, justification of one’s own hobby style and or a lack of application of critical thinking on the subject. (I think it should not be a subject but……….) Does it not become a toy when the loco you make can pull you along as one sits your back side on a riding trolley with your legs hanging over the sides ? Is it a toy if you buy it, spend loads of gold coin on a big loco to impress others ? It is a typical male thing, like my dick (toy) is bigger than your dick.
Even the 12” to the foot scale locos and trains are toys post the late 1960s. Why are we involved in heritage railways, preservation, model engineering? The answer is entertainment, it is entertaining to us and gives us some satisfaction and intrinsic reward, it is a hobby. The scale of a loco or what ever has nothing to do with a perceived cross over point of toy to not being a toy. A 2 ½ loco, a 7 ¼” Big Boy loco is a toy.
I am currently on a Reciprocating Engine Course so I can be a volunteer foot plate crew at the Mary Valley Rattler railway which is soon to recommence operations. That is playing. It is my entertainment, I do not do it to earn my quid and so pay my taxes. So this is playing with “Toys”. Steam stopped paying work here on the QR network in 1969, so since then they are toys.
It is just the complexity, engineering, safety aspects, skills required, budgets, costs and infrastructure that grows exponentially with scale. (and the paper work!)
If one’s sole chosen path of professional expression ie: making steam locos or models and selling them as your sole source income then it is work and you are in the “toy /hobby industry” Just as if you worked for Airfix or Roundhouse or as a fitter on a heritage railway for your wages. One is working professionally in the Toy/hobby Industry. Heritage railways are in the entertainment business, ie: Tourism.
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Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:59 am

Boiler work has commenced. My first ever boiler. I made a plug to fit snugly in the boiler barrel. Machined the ends square in the Myford with the free end in a steady.
Milled the cutout. Pondering the method to make the formers for the firebox wrappers. Maybe CNC wire cutting...........?????


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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Keith S » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:24 am

Hydrostatic Dazza wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:54 am
FWLR wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:56 am
If I had the courage and the money I think I would go for a coal fired loco also. The courage to operate one would be a personal challenge, mainly because my older brother builds his own 3 1/2 inch and 5 inch locos and he classes our 16mm stuff has Micky Mouse. so I would love to show him that a 16mm would run and pull in relation to scale just has much as his bigger stuff.
The, "they are smaller than my dick so they are toys " gets a big SIGH from me!
All scales are toys. Ponder. If one gives some thought to the philosophy of a particular crossover point of “being a toy to not a being a toy” linked to scale then it is realised that it is a flawed concept and usually a result of subjective bias due to ignorance, justification of one’s own hobby style and or a lack of application of critical thinking on the subject. (I think it should not be a subject but……….) Does it not become a toy when the loco you make can pull you along as one sits your back side on a riding trolley with your legs hanging over the sides ? Is it a toy if you buy it, spend loads of gold coin on a big loco to impress others ? It is a typical male thing, like my dick (toy) is bigger than your dick.
Even the 12” to the foot scale locos and trains are toys post the late 1960s. Why are we involved in heritage railways, preservation, model engineering? The answer is entertainment, it is entertaining to us and gives us some satisfaction and intrinsic reward, it is a hobby. The scale of a loco or what ever has nothing to do with a perceived cross over point of toy to not being a toy. A 2 ½ loco, a 7 ¼” Big Boy loco is a toy.
I am currently on a Reciprocating Engine Course so I can be a volunteer foot plate crew at the Mary Valley Rattler railway which is soon to recommence operations. That is playing. It is my entertainment, I do not do it to earn my quid and so pay my taxes. So this is playing with “Toys”. Steam stopped paying work here on the QR network in 1969, so since then they are toys.
It is just the complexity, engineering, safety aspects, skills required, budgets, costs and infrastructure that grows exponentially with scale. (and the paper work!)
If one’s sole chosen path of professional expression ie: making steam locos or models and selling them as your sole source income then it is work and you are in the “toy /hobby industry” Just as if you worked for Airfix or Roundhouse or as a fitter on a heritage railway for your wages. One is working professionally in the Toy/hobby Industry. Heritage railways are in the entertainment business, ie: Tourism.
Sorry to interrupt, but I agree with this to such an extent that I had to copy it. These are wise words, well written.

The day someone pays me to haul a few tins of lager across my garden with my Roundhouse locomotive, I'll let you know it's no longer a toy.

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