Wild Rose ~ Quarry Hunslet

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Post by LNR » Sun May 22, 2016 10:46 am

Thanks Dave, I reckon your a game man soldering a ring that thin and then machining it to fit. Concentricity doesn't have to be far out when you involve the lathe. Congratulations.
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Post by dewintondave » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:05 am

I made the chimney base from steel. One of the first operations was to mill the smokebox profile on its base. I did this in the lathe, with my old Emco Unimat 3 flycutter.



After milling, the blank was turned in the lathe, working both handles to get the large radius.
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The job is secured to the mandrel by Loctite 609 retainer
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Lots of heat is required to remove the job from the mandrel, the chimney base is now a lovely blue/black colour
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Post by Keith S » Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:15 pm

It certainly is a pleasure to see the work in progress. It looks like a fine job so far. I am particularly impressed with the boiler/smokebox flange.

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Post by dewintondave » Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:13 am

Keith S:118494 wrote:It certainly is a pleasure to see the work in progress. It looks like a fine job so far. I am particularly impressed with the boiler/smokebox flange.
Thank you Keith!

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Moving to the other side of the smokebox, the smokebox door. This is made from a slice of free cutting steel soft soldered to a mandrel after the rear face was turned.

Rear face details just visible
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Profiling the front face
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Finished door still on mandrel
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Hinge straps cut out of 0.6mm sheet with tin snips
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Finished hinges. I used LBSC's "words and music" for the straps and lugs. I had to borrow the roundhead screws from the live diesel
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The door is swinging!
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Post by philipy » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:52 pm

Dave,
The big problem with your work is that I ran out of superlatives long ago! As always, I'm in awe.
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Post by dewintondave » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:00 am

philipy:118509 wrote:Dave,
The big problem with your work is that I ran out of superlatives long ago! As always, I'm in awe.
Thank you!
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Post by dewintondave » Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:53 am

It was time to start on the chimney. I started at the top.

Gunmetal was used for the chimney cap. The blank was Loctited to the mandrel
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Marking out the upper curved part
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I filed this curved surface
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Rough turned
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Finish turned
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Finished part
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Tall chimney version
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Cross-bar fitted
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Out on the line!
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It was a lovely morning for a cigar and coffee!
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Post by robyholmes » Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:37 pm

Fantastic! Love seeing your work.

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Post by dewintondave » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:50 am

robyholmes:118836 wrote:Fantastic! Love seeing your work.
Thank you!

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I made a start on the cylinders. I like to use commercial plain bronze bearings for oscillator cylinders. They have a very good surface finish.

The port faces were bored in the lathe using the exact same set-up as was used for my large de Winton. Bored for the cylinders to be able to be soft soldered to them.

The faceplate required counter balance weights

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The port face is soft soldered to the faceplate angle plate

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I want the rear covers to be removable. I like screwcutting so decided to thread the end covers and the cylinder. An internal tool was ground for the cylinder, this took days... I've used 40 tpi as the pitch. As the threads were short I turned the chuck by hand. My wrist was aching like a teenager's afterwards!

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Post by dewintondave » Sat Oct 22, 2016 8:37 am

I thought I'd tackle the boiler next so that I could see where everything will go. I've been very slowly progressing.

A supply of 1.5 mm copper sheet, 2", and 1/2" copper pipe was already on hand. I've recently received some more sticks of the cadmium free silver solder (brazing rods) from Macc Models, I'm ready to make a sizeable investment in the boiler - lots of silver.

Some 4 mm thick steel was bought to make flanging formers. I was able to reuse a boiler endplate flanging former from my first loco build; the small De Wintons. Flanging is very satisfying with frequent stops for annealing the copper sheet.

Rounding off the throatplate / backhead former
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Rework #1: Removing a thin strip from the wrapper using the piercing saw. The throatplate is already brazed in place.
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Backhead and former
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Firebox former with unformed plate
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Progress so far
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Post by dewintondave » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:27 am

The boiler has been a real mission. I went for the classic wet everywhere firebox, to have at least built one once. Using one grade of silver braze. Doing all the brazing in low-light to keep an eye on not getting the job overheated on subsequent brazing operations. I had to order-in Sievert's excellent Cyclone burners. These are the only burners that can remain alight in the firebox. I'm using the smaller Cyclone burner for steam testing the boiler at the moment.

Trying out different firehole rings. Went with the smaller one, which still gives a generous opening

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Dry-run of the Firebox pieces

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Firebox inner, pieces riveted together

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Firebox Inner with brazing partially complete, with tubes and tubeplate installed for the next brazing operation

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Firebox inner complete, with tubes brazed in

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Making bushes for the backhead and trying-out the bought-in "3/16" x 40 tpi plain water gauge" I buy from Macc Models

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Starting the hole for the turret / dome bush. Using a holesaw with the pilot drill replaced by solid steel rod. This really helped my flimsy bench drill

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Once the above cut had become continuous it stopped cutting, and I was cautious of a dig-in with all that soft copper. I drilled many holes to break-up the cut, and it was a success.

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Finished at last without any drama

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Hole needs filing to finished size. Before the drilling, I marked-out the finished size and position

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Looking through the tubes

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This low sited bush will take the blower valve. A small pipe will draw steam from the dome.

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Dry-run of firebox inner and backhead in the boiler shell

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Foundation-ring pieces. The backhead has already been brazed into the boiler shell

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Boiler fully brazed with bushes plugged for testing

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My brazing bench in the garage with window boarded and curtained for daytime brazing sessions

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Boiler fully immersed in citric acid pickle bucket

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Pretty in pink! I love the natural copper colour

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Boiler, full of water, in the fridge. I cooled it all down so that only a little heat would be needed to pressure test the boiler. I use the gentle warming method to expand the water. No pumping required! It's proved to be a controversial method.

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On the garage workbench, ready for testing. Test gauge (0 to 86 PSI) fitted to blower bush.

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I decided to paint the backhead end to cover a multitude of sins! The fumes were so foul, I took my mini oven outside to bake the Engine Block enamel (rated to 500 deg F). My last baking was at 150 deg C, which is a little above the steam temp at 40 PSI

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Finished paint

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Out on the railway for the sun

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Backhead

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Post by LNR » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:35 am

Hi Dave, fantastic work as usual. I could feel the tension using the hole saw to cut that dome hole (I would be very ready to reverse the handle on the drill feed). What will be the approx. size of the grate? you've certainly got enough tube area for what appears to be a very short grate. A freshly built boiler always looks great after pickling, and yours is no exception.
I think your "contraversial" boiler test method comes about from some thinking you have to boil the water before any pressure increase, no understanding of basic hydraulics.
Glad your boiler passed its test.
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Post by dewintondave » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:40 am

LNR:122612 wrote:Hi Dave, fantastic work as usual. I could feel the tension using the hole saw to cut that dome hole (I would be very ready to reverse the handle on the drill feed).
Thanks Grant. The only support it had was the backhead Sellotaped on :D

The grate's about 1" x 2.5"

Might as well have an as easy steaming boiler as possible ;)
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Post by tom_tom_go » Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:33 am

Thanks for sharing the build with us all so far Dave, you make it look so easy to build!

Can I ask why you have gone for three tubes?  Your design is similar to the Riverdale boiler I have which only has two.

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Post by dewintondave » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:12 am

tom_tom_go:122614 wrote:Thanks for sharing the build with us all so far Dave, you make it look so easy to build!

Can I ask why you have gone for three tubes?  Your design is similar to the Riverdale boiler I have which only has two.
Two weren't enough. I did the math, and wanted something on the upper end of the usual acceptable ratio. It was a while ago now.

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Post by dewintondave » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:06 am

As the test pressure gauge was still attached to the boiler I thought I'd make the safety valve next.  It's the ball bearing type, but not a pop-valve.


This is the top of the safety valve, the holes were marked out and centre punched under my bench mounted illuminated magnifying glass, and drilled in the bench drill.  The holes are 1.3 mm dia.

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Testing the safety valve, using the small Sievert cyclone burner

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Post by dewintondave » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:17 am

I have been slowly plodding along with the construction, it's been a lot of fun though. At the moment I'm pushing for a steam test soon. The chassis is on the workbench, I'm getting it all set right, I love all the fitting. There was too much sideways play in the axles so I added grubscrews to the spacers that sit between the wheels and axle bushes, these allowed me to adjust their position to reduce play. Then I had the bright idea of oil blackening these parts. They came out a lovely shiny black.



This is the part being blackened in the video
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Axle spacer fitted with grub screws
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Happy New Year
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Post by LNR » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:01 pm

Hi Dave, Happy New year to you too.
Your blackening process is one I've used for things, but never found it very durable. Some actually chipped off. Have you any experience of this?
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Post by tom_tom_go » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:34 pm

Have you tried chemically blackening metal Grant?

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Post by dewintondave » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:21 am

LNR wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:01 pm Hi Dave, Happy New year to you too.
Your blackening process is one I've used for things, but never found it very durable. Some actually chipped off. Have you any experience of this?
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Hi Grant, I've used it a bit. Look at this image, I made these die holders for my Unimat 3 lathe in about 1990, not sure when I blackened them but maybe when I restarted the hobby in 2005. The smaller has worn because I hand thread with it often. I'd say it was an ideal finish for loco parts with no great thickness and no chipping.

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