Llewellyn Loco Works #1

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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Peter Butler » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:41 pm

I like tidy but you work in an operating theatre!
Wonderful stuff though and rapid too.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by pandsrowe » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:04 am

Blimey, that floor is clean enough to eat your dinner off. Seriously though I also like to work in a (relatively) clean environment but I'm always torn between keeping it clean and tidy and the time it takes to have a tidy up.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by daan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:09 am

Absolutely brilliant! The workshop you have, as well as your locomotive..! I'll show your workshop at my work as an example of how a professional workspace should look like. :lol:

The best thing about it is the floor however. It can be cleaned with water and soap, you see every tiny bit you drop and it is light, so you see what you're doing.

The only important thing I don't see is a good stereo.. I've moved my old Pioneer surround system to the shed, which can be linked to my phone for any kind of music I feel like, no matter what volume.. I guess that is the best thing in my workshop. :lol:
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:01 pm

daan wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:09 am
Absolutely brilliant! The workshop you have, as well as your locomotive..! I'll show your workshop at my work as an example of how a professional workspace should look like. :lol:

The best thing about it is the floor however. It can be cleaned with water and soap, you see every tiny bit you drop and it is light, so you see what you're doing.

The only important thing I don't see is a good stereo.. I've moved my old Pioneer surround system to the shed, which can be linked to my phone for any kind of music I feel like, no matter what volume.. I guess that is the best thing in my workshop. :lol:

Epoxy floor is a beautiful thing, cleans up and washes off and dries fast. I need to do the bike making area as well, but the disruption to the cash flow will be huge.
You are correct about the stereo, MAM bought me one and I have to put some shelves up and set it up. I have a wall TV antenna socket and power supply for a TV so I can watch the test matches but I do not think I will install a TV. It was a silly idea. I do not use a mobile phone let alone a smart phone. I am still a CD man. I listen to Radio National all day on the digital radio but a lot of the time I am in the Red Room I listen to the ABC's Jazz channel . I am a Nick Cave fan and Bowie and ....................all sorts. Driving is Nick Cave. Unless cricket is on the radio, then it must be cricket. Cleaning does take time however it makes me feel relaxed and confident in my hobby.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:26 am

Last night after 11 hours in the bike workshop (preshow stress) after dinner I spent some time finishing off installing the cranks for the drains.

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Then I was trying to get the Servo to twitch the right amount, but not mastered, it was getting late and I was tired so off to the feathers I went.

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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by tom_tom_go » Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:15 pm

I really like that set up with the servo drain.

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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:23 pm

tom_tom_go wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:15 pm
I really like that set up with the servo drain.
Thanks, it will be interesting to see how well it works when all is in steam.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:26 pm

A few more parts fitted up. So far all is OK, I think I need to ease the fit of the valve cross head pin and there is a slight rub with the cosmetic bolt head on the cross head and combination lever. It was always tight here. I will be quiet for a few weeks as MAM and I are off for a few weeks and attending the Aussie hand made bike show

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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Peter Butler » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:28 pm

When you return Dazza, please remember we have an 'off topic' section where you might entertain us with your specialist bike build, and others there too?
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by daan » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:35 am

Yes please, I would love to see the bikes too.. :D I have a small concearn about the servo though. On all my locomotives, the place where that servo is, is the nastiest, greasiest and dirtiest place of the whole locomotive. Steamoil, hot watercondensate and grease from the smokebox drip down here, and your servo will be out of order within a few driving sessions. You'll need to shield it somehow against the muck coming from above.

The other thing is the tight fit between the cross head and the combination lever you mentionned. When you've driven the locomotive a few times, the joints wear in and the combination lever slacks a bit more. What now is a slight rub, will be a punch later on. The lever is fixed to the valverod above and a 2 part joint on the underside. The valverod doesn't keep the lever in position, because it pivots. The position is kept by the 2 joints fixed to the cross head, which now have 0 play, because it is not run in yet. After a while, these 2 joints will loosen up a little bit, causing serious play on the combination lever.

I would offer the cosmetic bolts, it's the easiest way to be safe. You only need a jam at speed to ruin the combination lever..
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:39 am

daan wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:35 am
Yes please, I would love to see the bikes too.. :D I have a small concearn about the servo though. On all my locomotives, the place where that servo is, is the nastiest, greasiest and dirtiest place of the whole locomotive. Steamoil, hot watercondensate and grease from the smokebox drip down here, and your servo will be out of order within a few driving sessions. You'll need to shield it somehow against the muck coming from above.

The other thing is the tight fit between the cross head and the combination lever you mentionned. When you've driven the locomotive a few times, the joints wear in and the combination lever slacks a bit more. What now is a slight rub, will be a punch later on. The lever is fixed to the valverod above and a 2 part joint on the underside. The valverod doesn't keep the lever in position, because it pivots. The position is kept by the 2 joints fixed to the cross head, which now have 0 play, because it is not run in yet. After a while, these 2 joints will loosen up a little bit, causing serious play on the combination lever.

I would offer the cosmetic bolts, it's the easiest way to be safe. You only need a jam at speed to ruin the combination lever..
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All good points about the servo. I had thought along the same direction, I decided to leave the protection solution to later when I have the cylinder plumbing made so I devise a protective box to surround it and with a rubber worm that goes over the linkage as it exits the box. (using some bike parts) I am trying to not clutter the foot plate with all the servos. I also got a water proof servo but I am not putting my faith in that. I am unsure of the Wilson drain design. I cannot see how they will not dribble a lot. I will not be surprised that after a while I will seal them up with Loctite and forget they ever existed. I also have to machine the valve more to ensure there is more lift clearance of the valve for condensation. etc, if the drains do not cope or work. Also yes regards to the cosmetic bolt heads. Brian Wilson has these in his book and when I did the CAD drawings I saw that would be tight. Last night when I saw how tight they were I was tired and went to bed, thinking I might be removing them because as you say, when it all starts to rattle and knock.......................... All of this is in the context I have never seen a 16mm loco in steam in real life. Never. I know there are mobs local but I will never get much time to devote as I am also involved with full size when I can manage the time.
To every one, keep the ideas, thoughts and comments coming, they are most welcome, it all adds to to me learning more and new stuff.
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by tom_tom_go » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:03 am

I believe this one is going to be coal fired so the servo location is fine as the smokebox will be sealed unlike on a gas loco.

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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:00 am

tom_tom_go wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:03 am
I believe this one is going to be coal fired so the servo location is fine as the smokebox will be sealed unlike on a gas loco.
Yes that is correct coal fired because I want the all the senses stimulated. I also will be fixing the boiler and smoke box to the frames and the expansion will be at the fire box end as in full size. So the smoke box will be and front foot plate will be sealed. I am off to contemplate the tender drawings, and that is being stimulated by photos and a GA works drawing of Burma Railways #9
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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by IanC » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:03 am

I am enjoying this build, even though it is way beyond my ability and expertise. However what I like is the fact that as much as possible it is following full sized loco practices.

I am involved in the preservation world too as a hobby and one of the reasons for me owning a steam locomotive is it is much more real than running the electric mice that so many do.

Whilst my loco is freestyle in appearance and gas fired I do like to operate it and maintain it as close to prototype practice as possible.

Enjoy your break with the bikes.

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Re: Llewellyn Loco Works #1

Post by Hydrostatic Dazza » Wed May 23, 2018 7:07 am

On Saturday I did a wee bit of cleaning work on some full size WHB Duplex and steam pressure Loco gauges before they go off to calibration. This would qualify it for Live Steam here eh! :scratch:
These are for Queensland railways Class C17 #967 which is being rebuilt in Gympie for the Mary Valley Rattler Railway and has a new all welded boiler.
This Saturday I hope to have a bit of training time on #974 which is on lean to the Mary Valley Rattler Railway from the Queensland Heritage Railway Workshops.
The Mary Valley qualifies as a garden as well :-)
I might have some brass boiler bands to clean up soon.


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