This weekend I have been mostly building....Gravity Griff wagon

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This weekend I have been mostly building....Gravity Griff wagon

Post by Simon-m » Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:58 pm

A few photos of my latest coach build.

Built from a IP kit with added seat upholstery to give the interior some colour. I used coach & wagon paints which I've found excellent for brush painting without the need for primer.
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Still some work to do on this one & another 2 to form a small rake. I've learnt a few lessons making this one & I won't be falling into the same trap on the next 2 kits.
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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by Peter Butler » Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:39 pm

Please tell of the traps so we can avoid doing the same ourselves. I would be interested to see how you intend to glaze the windows too.
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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by Old Man Aaron » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:19 am

Coming up beautifully, that. Looking forward to seeing the rake in service.
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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by Simon-m » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:29 am

Thanks for the replies

The pit falls!

Because Talyllyn coaches have a complex multi coloured livery it needs some forward thought. Before I glued any parts together I pre painted most of the kit.

I decided to keep everything safe I would paint everything before removing the waste bits of wood. This way it would keep all the delicate beading parts from snapping. The problem is that you have to remove all the bits of tab from the pieces & this means more touch up.

The floor was something else that I pre painted with varnish & stain. It warped the wood which means it throws the trueness of the chassis out which again needs more work to fix.

It's now sat on all wheels & fine but next time the floor I will paint once assembled & all the beading will be removed before painting so I can clean up any tabs then I can paint everything before assembly.

The glazing on the coach I've been thinking about. The seating have notches in the tops of them I can only assume is to rest the glazing on for ease of fit. This wouldn't be bad if the glazing strip was the correct height. As it isn't I think I'm going to use strips of double sided tape fitted to the uprights of the doors as they are thicker & stick them in that way. I might run a bead of glazing glue along the edges to seal it all. Whilst glazing glue is good it's still runny & can smear on windows.

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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by philipy » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:46 am

Excellent job and useful hints and tips. Thanks.
Just one question, you said "I used coach & wagon paints", but omitted to say which paint manufacturer?

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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by ge_rik » Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:58 am

Very tasty .... nay, delicious!

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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:56 am

Peter Butler wrote:
Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:39 pm
Please tell of the traps so we can avoid doing the same ourselves. I would be interested to see how you intend to glaze the windows too.
Simon, thank you for your response to my comments (shown above), my own experience with IP kits has been similar with warped plywood sections. I had a sealed plastic pack which immediately felt damp on opening, so warping was already there. If placed between two glass plates and allowed to dry naturally, this issue might be resolved, although Ivan agreed to replace mine.
The window glazing was something I pondered about too, I avoided the use of double sided tape as it would inevitably dry out and come unstuck. I prefer to permanently stick my roof sections so replacing tape would be impossible. Instead, I cut an interior wall panel from card .....
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Then attached card strips above and below the glazing....
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Finally, I fitted strips to show the interior detail, door frames etc....
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Much of this is included on my 'Time to build a railway...' thread under 'Railways and layouts'.

I hope you find this useful. Alternatively, you might prefer to stick the glazing inside directly to the plywood sides. For this I recommend Canopy Adhesive which dries clear and leaves no smears.
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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by SimonWood » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:43 pm

philipy wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:46 am
Just one question, you said "I used coach & wagon paints", but omitted to say which paint manufacturer?
I assumed it was Coach & Wagon Works Simon? I've seen them at shows but never used them myself.

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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by Lonsdaler » Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:00 pm

SimonWood wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:43 pm
philipy wrote:
Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:46 am
Just one question, you said "I used coach & wagon paints", but omitted to say which paint manufacturer?
I assumed it was Coach & Wagon Works Simon? I've seen them at shows but never used them myself.
Thank you for that Simon. I have one of their coaches (they build IP engineering kits to a very high standard). I hadn't realised they do their own range of paint.
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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by Simon-m » Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:11 pm

Hi Simon

Yes, those are the ones. Very nice paints I would certainly reccomend them.

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Re: I.P engineering Talyllyn coach 4

Post by philipy » Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:03 pm

Thanks guys, I'd never heard of them before. :roll:

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Re: My workshop thread.

Post by Simon-m » Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:18 pm

I decided to finish off a lingering model over the weekend. Its a lineside hut kit for a Ffestiniog brake van. I think it's been sat in various corners of the workshop & garage awaiting finishing for the past 18 months.

I painted the blackwork firstly before gluing glazing in & all the internals. Although I think the IP kit would have been better this one was cheap so I bought it.
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I've also managed to make up another 2 kits today. First off a GRS water crane for the L&B. It's been soldered together & needed a good bit of fettle to get it right. I just need to find the prototypical colour for it.
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Lastly I dug this kit out today & decided to make it. Its a jurassic models kit I got off ebay I think. The part fit needs a bit of work for a good fit but it does make into a nice wagon. I think it's a freelance model & so I decided for a quick finish I would just stain it with my usual interior coach stain.
I'm rather pleased with how this one's come out.
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I'm going to get the Talyllyn coach 4 finished this week sp I can start the brake van next.

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Re: Some wagons & bits I've built over the weekend

Post by ge_rik » Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:02 pm

They all look good to me, but I see what you mean about the open wagon.

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Re: Some wagons & bits I've built over the weekend

Post by Lonsdaler » Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:38 pm

Three kits in one weekend? Quelle horreur😱 I can't even approach that rate. I have a very big backlog!😅
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Re: This weekend I have been mostly building..... a talyllyn covered van

Post by Simon-m » Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:09 pm

So yesterday with an hour to spare I knocked up the basics of a talyllyn covered van.

I've been saving this one until I've been in the mood as the roof I knew would be problematic with such a tight radius.
The kit fell together if I am honest & was a breeze to make. All the parts fit as they should although the kit has a few small errors but nothing serious.

I've added a centre buffer/coupling to match my other rolling stock & I'm going to paint it later today all being well. Once it's painted I will add the final details which are parts of the ironwork.
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All in all a nice little kit.

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