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Post by ge_rik » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:44 pm

Soar Valley Light wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:17 pm
Rik, I'd pay good money to see a video clip of that! :notworthy:

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No video, I'm afraid, but how about a photo from the archives ....
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Re: Southwold stock

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ge_rik wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:44 pm
That's me on the left
Notta lotta peeple know dat!
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Re: Southwold stock

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ge_rik wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:08 am
FWLR wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:55 am ....... I personally don't like the "Sea Shanty" music, it annoys the hell out of me.
Then I doubt you'll enjoy some of my model making sessions in the workshop Rod, when I play my English folk music CDs and occasionally grab my tin whistle and join in. Though you'll probably be pleased to hear that I now no longer strap on my bells and dance to the Morris tunes .... :lol:

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Re: Southwold stock

Post by FWLR » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:10 am

ge_rik wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:44 pm
Soar Valley Light wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:17 pm
Rik, I'd pay good money to see a video clip of that! :notworthy:

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No video, I'm afraid, but how about a photo from the archives ....
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That's me on the left

Rik

That's just made my day.... :lol :lol :lol :lol

Thanks Rik.

BTW, I like music of all persuasions. From classical to chamber. It's just these old ears can't hear the same has they used to and I get annoyed with myself because the sound I hear now is muffled to the extent, that it can all be the same sound I am hearing...... :| :|

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Thanks Rod

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Re: Southwold stock

Post by ge_rik » Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:09 pm

Stephen Bazire wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:25 pm And shall I be that churlish anorak who mentions that there were actually two types of 4-wheel truck with curved ends? One had one plank for the curve but a few had two planks (or one and a half). I guess that was so they could put more in those trucks.
I think I've just out-anoraked you. I went back to my books about the Southwold and discovered there were not only two versions of the curved ends as you indicate, but there was also at least one three-plank wagon with no curved end. I also spotted that I'd inserted strapping between the hinge straps which didn't actually exist - I think I must have got this off the plans which were in Model Railway Constructor as they're not on the plans in the books - either that or my eyes were playing tricks. Looking closely at the various photos, it looks like some wagons actually had rubbing plates added between the hinge straps to protect the sides when they were lowered - some wagons had one rubbing plate, some had two and some had none. Who knows, some wagons might have had one rubbing plate on one side and two on the other...!

So - I've now revised all the drawings and hopefully I've now created parts for all variants. I've uploaded them all to the 3D print files section.

I'm looking forward to seeing your next video - and yes please include even more Suffolk folk tunes ...... :thumbright:

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Re: Southwold stock

Post by Andrew » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:42 pm

ge_rik wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:09 pm I think I've just out-anoraked you.
I LOVE how geeky close observation of minor railways can get! Perhaps one of you can enlighten me on something that's puzzled me since I first read "Branchline to Southwold", namely why the vans seem to change length - assuming they're the same vans? Assuming too that I'm remembering correctly, I haven't actually dug out the book to check...

Nice to have you with us Stephen - I've long been an admirer of your line, dating back to whenever it first appeared in SMT. Your pragmatic (and artistic) approach to modelling a prototype has been one source of inspiration as I've attempted to recreate a little Welsh Highland flavour in my little South Bristol back garden.

I really enjoyed those scenes on the old Southwold Railway, and the sea shanties too. You're right Bertie, isn't there supposed to be a sea shanty revival going on on TikTok? Personally I like to think it's all down to two teenage girls my wife and I came across in a Bexleyheath back street nearly 20 years ago. As we approached one held up a cardboard sign reading "Bring back Sea Shanties", while the other struck up an an appropriate tune on a violin, before both dissolved into giggles and collapsed back into their house...

And Rik - who knew?! I've always felt there's a Morris Dancer inside me somewhere waiting to break out, but here in Brizzle they all look like scary compost heaps, unlike the clean-living hankie waving Kentish types I knew in my South London childhood...

OK, back to Southwold rolling stock...

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Post by ge_rik » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:45 pm

They lengthened the original vans in 1918. I think they were in need of repair and so decided to make them bigger. They also remodelled the coaches and modified some of the wagons over the years. I think a fair number of narrow gauge railways butchered their rolling stock over their lifetimes.

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Re: Southwold stock

Post by invicta280 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:06 pm

Another folk enthusiast here, who often attends the Rochester Sweeps Festival. There seems to be a close harmony between rail enthusiasts, real ale drinking, morris dancers and canal boaters.

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Post by Stephen Bazire » Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:42 pm

Which side is that Rik? I've danced and played with Bath City, Great Western, Bristol and Kemp's Men but not danced for a year or so (I'm the non-hatted box player in this clip <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4NiSsUdptM> on a trip back to Bristol). And that is NOT a sea shanty! :D They're shanties, not sea shanties (a tip if you're trying to appear knowledgeable but if you want to wind up an expert call them sea shanties. Works a treat).
Yes, the vans did lengthen but years later than needed. The SR only had these two vans for carrying anything needing protection, which caused a lot of problems with holidaymakers and their suitcases which blocked up the coaches. If you weren't aware, one of the vans is the only surviving piece of SR stock, currently at the East Anglian Transport Museam near Lowestoft. The Southwold Railway Trust also made a replica of the shorter van, currently on blocks at Wenhaston station.
There was at least one 3-plank truck with flat ends. It seems to have been used a lot (but never 2 at the same time so probably only one) but with the extensive use of tarpaulins it's hard to tell much, even its number. Anyone any idea how to do 16mm tarpaulins?
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Re: Southwold stock

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invicta280 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:06 pm Another folk enthusiast here, who often attends the Rochester Sweeps Festival. There seems to be a close harmony between rail enthusiasts, real ale drinking, morris dancers and canal boaters.
OK...

Who has a video of ;
Real Ale drinking Morris Men, dancing on a Narrow Boat roof?
:thumbleft: :lol:

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Stephen Bazire wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:42 pm Which side is that Rik? ........... Anyone any idea how to do 16mm tarpaulins?
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Hi Steve
I danced with Kinnerton Morris Men. A very small but enthusiastic Cotswold side. One reason I quit (reluctantly) was because we were always so short of members that I ended up having to dance every weekend, sometimes twice a week in high season, so I just couldn't sustain the commitment. Also, my knees started to play up.

My tarps are ok-ish but nothing special. I seem to remember that Peter Butler is a dab hand at representing tarps....(???)

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Post by ge_rik » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:19 pm

invicta280 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:06 pm Another folk enthusiast here, who often attends the Rochester Sweeps Festival. There seems to be a close harmony between rail enthusiasts, real ale drinking, morris dancers and canal boaters.
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Re: Southwold stock

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Stephen Bazire wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:42 pm ........... Anyone any idea how to do 16mm tarpaulins?

Steve


I seem to remember that Peter Butler is a dab hand at representing tarps....(???)

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In between searching Youtube for videos of Morris Men dancing on narrow boats while drinking real ale..... (I know they are there somewhere), I thought I might be able to respond to Rik's commendation. I am not a 'dab hand' as I have only attempted to reproduce a tarp once, however, it looks OK to me so here it is.....
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The support for the tarp is HIP and is shaped for the material covering to show a slight sag in the centre. The tarp is a fine weave material (self coloured) and is stuck to the HIP before adding ropes and cleats.
If this isn't what you are looking for, blame Rik!
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Post by ge_rik » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:59 pm

Peter Butler wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:43 pm ........ If this isn't what you are looking for, blame Rik!
:roll: ;) :lol:

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Re: Southwold stock

Post by FWLR » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:19 am

Mmmmmm, who said I was trying to be knowledgeable. Shantie, sea shanty, who cares , I don't. That's my own opinion.

I am from Lancashire, where there are quite a few Morris Dancers, but I don't have to like them. :roll:
By they way, Fleetwood, which was a thriving fishing town at one time, had some very good Morris Dancers and I do admire their skills, my own two step-daughters are very successful Morris Dancers in the female version, if you want to call it that. The youngest one has won many medals for being the top lead dancer, so I do know a little bit about group dancing. I myself have won a few dance competitions in my younger days in modern dance. I was a mean Northern Soul dancer also.... :lol: :lol:

Please don't put capitals on words. It looks like you are shouting and telling someone off... :thumbright:

This is a friendly forum and I did say I liked all types of music. :thumbright: :thumbright:

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Post by FWLR » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:21 am

Phil.P wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:38 pm
invicta280 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:06 pm Another folk enthusiast here, who often attends the Rochester Sweeps Festival. There seems to be a close harmony between rail enthusiasts, real ale drinking, morris dancers and canal boaters.
OK...

Who has a video of ;
Real Ale drinking Morris Men, dancing on a Narrow Boat roof?
:thumbleft: :lol:
I don't.... :lol :lol :lol :lol

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Post by ge_rik » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:38 am

Stephen Bazire wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:42 pm Which side is that Rik? I've danced and played with Bath City, Great Western, Bristol and Kemp's Men but not danced for a year or so (I'm the non-hatted box player in this clip <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4NiSsUdptM> on a trip back to Bristol). And that is NOT a sea shanty! :D They're shanties, not sea shanties (a tip if you're trying to appear knowledgeable but if you want to wind up an expert call them sea shanties. Works a treat).
Yes, the vans did lengthen but years later than needed. The SR only had these two vans for carrying anything needing protection, which caused a lot of problems with holidaymakers and their suitcases which blocked up the coaches. If you weren't aware, one of the vans is the only surviving piece of SR stock, currently at the East Anglian Transport Museam near Lowestoft. The Southwold Railway Trust also made a replica of the shorter van, currently on blocks at Wenhaston station.
There was at least one 3-plank truck with flat ends. It seems to have been used a lot (but never 2 at the same time so probably only one) but with the extensive use of tarpaulins it's hard to tell much, even its number. Anyone any idea how to do 16mm tarpaulins?
Cheers
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I think our side was just learning Trunkles when I left, so I've never danced that one in public. I gave up before the days of smart phones so there's hardly any video of me dancing (thank goodness :lol: ).

I've not (yet) visited the transport museum in Lowestoft. I've seen photos of the surviving van which I think was used as a shed on the allotments in Southwold for quite a few years. What a shame none of the coach bodies survived. I suppose they'd have been too susceptible to the weather.

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Post by ge_rik » Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:57 am

FWLR wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:19 am Mmmmmm, who said I was trying to be knowledgeable. Shantie, sea shanty, who cares , I don't. That's my own opinion.

I am from Lancashire, where there are quite a few Morris Dancers, but I don't have to like them. :roll:
By they way, Fleetwood, which was a thriving fishing town at one time, had some very good Morris Dancers and I do admire their skills, my own two step-daughters are very successful Morris Dancers in the female version, if you want to call it that. The youngest one has won many medals for being the top lead dancer, so I do know a little bit about group dancing. I myself have won a few dance competitions in my younger days in modern dance. I was a mean Northern Soul dancer also.... :lol: :lol:

Please don't put capitals on words. It looks like you are shouting and telling someone off... :thumbright:

This is a friendly forum and I did say I liked all types of music. :thumbright: :thumbright:
I shouldn't worry, Rod. We folkies sometimes get a bit touchy about people's attitudes towards the tradition. Unlike Ireland and most other countries around the world who celebrate their roots music, in England folk music is often looked upon with disdain by the general public which is a pity because we have some wonderful tunes and songs which most people never have the chance to hear.

Similarly, there are all sorts of folk dancing traditions across the country. The tradition in Lancashire is for clog dancing but there's also rapper sword dancing which I find absolutely fascinating. I particularly remember one rapper sword side (Morris dance teams are called sides, but I don't know why) which mostly comprised young blokes. Rapper swords have handles at both ends (I think they were used for getting the grime off the backs of pit ponies) Rapper dancers weave in and out in complex moves and end up plaiting the swords into interwoven stars. What impressed me was that in one dance, they unplaited the star by a couple of dancers having to perform backwards somersaults without letting go of their swords.

My wife loves opera, my brother loves jazz and classical choral singing - none of which I particularly like. Neither of them likes folk music. Each to their own, I suppose.

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Post by Andrew » Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:54 am

FWLR wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:19 am Mmmmmm, who said I was trying to be knowledgeable.
I don't think anyone did, Rod - Steve was joking that, just like us railway enthusiasts, traditional music fans can get easily (and amusingly!) annoyed by the phrases that non-enthusiasts use to describe their hobby. Actually, I've reached a compromise on "train station" with my family - anywhere unstaffed (like our local station) I don't object when they use that term, but anywhere with a little more dignity (like Temple Meads!!!) is definitely a Railway Station...
FWLR wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 8:19 am I was a mean Northern Soul dancer also....
Now THAT I'd like to see - definitely no smart phone footage of that, alas! Were you a regular at the Wigan Casino, Rod?

Back to the Southwold, again, thanks for the van info - I must have been wondering about that for about 20 years. Not all the time, I should add...

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