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Post by FWLR » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:04 am

Thanks Peter, i have got a better idea now, it’s looks brilliant your layout. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Post by LNR » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:42 am

Looking good Peter, you've obviously spent time working out stock movements in your head as opposed to just putting down track. Do I spy the upturned body of a second nice looking passenger coach against the wall and under the rags?
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Post by IrishPeter » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:29 pm

The upturned body is a 1:22.3 or 1:24 scale (I forget which) Vossbanen coach I was playing about with a couple of years ago, and never finished. I scaled it off photographs of the two bodies that survive a Grovane on the Setesdalsbanen. If I remember rightly, the originals went back to the 1870s, and were last used on the Vestfoldbanen out of Oslo Vest, which was not converted to standard gauge until 1949. Oslo Vest is now redundant since the tunnel under the city centre was dug and the old standard gauge Ost station was expanded to serve all trains in/out of Oslo. It needs a bit of repair work as it got the rough end of the trip from AZ. I still think I will finish it one of these days, and build a BCo (2nd/3rd Composite bogie) to go with it.

Yes, I do tend to think through the train movements before I start laying track. Then I will have a dry run with track laid loose to see if the brain work was any use. The move that concerns me most is disposing of an arriving mixed train without a lot of fuss. As the anticipated traffic level at Skebawn is 3 trains a day, a second platform was deemed unnecessary, after that there is an element of predestination as to where things need to go. I like the goods sidings close to hand due to the need to shunt them. The loco shed and the carriage siding, but not the loco servicing area, can be a bit out of the way as you only need to get to them at the beginning and end of each session. Basically, the shed can be in a corner, but there should be evidences of a water crane and a coal heap handy to wherever the locos are serviced between trains. I tend to fall into the IMR habit of putting such things on the outer end of the loco shed road. The turntable is a new departure for me, as they were common on Irish NG lines, but not elsewhere in the then United Kingdom.

In this case, mixed train arrives in the platform road, which means the loco can be watered before being coaled and then turned. After that it is run around, move the passenger coaches to the middle road, and start shunting, with departing wagons going up against the passenger vehicles until operations are complete, and the whole train can be moved back into the platform road ready to depart after one last check of the loco's water and coal supplies. Hopefully one gets the shunting done before the advertised departure time. :)

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Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Post by LNR » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:53 am

Thanks Peter, I share your liking for things Norwegian, particularly the locos of the Setesdelsbanen. They have a very elegant look to them, something to do with the large spaces underneath them I think.
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Post by IrishPeter » Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:35 am

I got interesting in Norwegian narrow gauge through the Isle of Man Railway. It is a bit convoluted, but basically the trail of breadcrumbs starts with Henry Vignoles, who visited Norway fairly frequently and was friends with Carl Pihl, and the fact that the IMR's first set of drawings for their locomotives were labelled 'Norwegian Tank Locomotive.' There was also some resemblance between the original Peel line stations and some of the early Norwegian buildings, etc..

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Post by IrishPeter » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:50 am

A bit more progress in that the 'back of chimney' area has had the bench work erected. I have ended up planning to put the loco shed and the carriage shed at the back of the chimney as the reach over the board to the site by the turntable proved to be a little too long for me. It is also pretty clear that the goods shed is going to have to go about halfway along the goods siding so it is clear of both the point where I catch incoming trains, and the turntable area. [Reminder to self - buy brown emulsion] :oops:

Seeing the preliminary track layout on the plywood prairie has got me thinking about the what will be needed in terms of signalling. Of course, it would be totally OK not to bother - the Schull and Skibbereen, and the Castlederg and Victoria Bridge both had no fixed signals - but other lines, such as the T&D were a little more generous. The ground frame will probably need six or eight levers, viz:

1 - Loop to main starter
2 - Platform starter
3 - Advance starter (optional)
4 - Main to Loop X-over
5 - Lock on 4 (optional, could assume 4 has an economic FLP)
6 - goods siding
7 - Down to platform line
8 - Down to loop (elevated shunt signal or an "S" arm)

If I go for the more elaborate option, signals 3, 7, & 8 will probably share a post, and that post will delineate the limit of shunt out on to the mainline.

Photos at the weekend - hopefully.

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Post by LNR » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:51 am

This is getting more interesting by the minute!!
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Post by IrishPeter » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:04 am

Matt dark brown paint bought, and applied liberally to the bench-work (and remarkably little else) this afternoon whilst the wife etc., were out checking the local antique places for deals. Given a choice between a trip to the mall and a trip to the dentist I usually prefer the dentist, so I opted out! I will probably lay the station area in Code 250 rail, but I am debating whether I should spring for new code 250 point work for the country end of the station. That will run me about five hundred so I am thinking that a modest investment in rail clamps might be more sensible, plus I already have three pairs laying around. Next few days I hope to get an hour here and there to relay the station, and have it sorted before I go further with the bench work.

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Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Post by FWLR » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:50 am

Any photo updates Peter. :thumbup:
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Post by IrishPeter » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:42 am

OK. Progress thus far...
Track 12.jpg
Not the best shot of the rest of the basement, but this was taken from the bottom of the stairs looking towards the end of bench work, which is just at the back of the hot water heater, furnace, etc.. The area available is about 18' by 10'.
Track 2.jpg
Looking towards the void shown in the previous shot. The roads seen here are (from L to R) the mainline, head shunt, carriage road, and loco shed road. Slight change to the original plan there!
Track 1.jpg
Reverse shot to the previous one, so the various roads now read from right to left.
Track 7.jpg
This is looking from the end of the present bench-work towards the position where the first shot was taken. A few vehicles from the 16mm side of things stored in the loco shed road for the time being.
Track 3.jpg
General view down the station towards the turntable.

End of Part 1.

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Post by IrishPeter » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:53 am

More of the Gory Details
Track 5.jpg
Looking from roughly the eventual position of the cattle dock towards the turntable. The roads from L to R are good siding, engine release, and platform line. The area at the back, where the overhead light is plugged in will eventually contain the station building and a row of commercial premises which will include the Railway Bar, also know as Maggie's, or the Buffer and Hook.
Track 6.jpg
Looking the other way towards the site of the signal box and the "country end" of the station. The loco shed and the probably the usual Irish open sided carriage shed will occupy the two sidings on the right.
Track 4.jpg
Our old friend the little black diesel, and a 16mm scale wagon awaiting their next job, just about where the goods shed will stand, eventually. The LBD really needs to be converted to AWD to be useful on the S&CT&LR as when the unpowered wheels are leading they tend to pick up the frogs of facing points and derail.
Track 9.jpg
The turntable area.
Track 8.jpg
Looking from behind the signal box towards the turntable. The coach on the centre road is a 16mm vaguely Norwegian job of the Nesttun-Osbanen type. The wagon behind it is an ore wagon which still, two years on, needs it inverted V shaped bottom putting in.
Track 11.jpg
The Vossebanen coach, probably 1:22.3 scale, which needs some repairs after a somewhat traumatic trip from AZ. The original was built in the late 1870s for the 3'6" gauge sections of NSB and operated until the 1940s. Two of the type, one a third open (Co), the other a second/third composite (BCo) survive at Grovane on the Setesdalbanen. The carriage body is parked where the signal box will eventually be located.

That's it for now...

Peter in Va.
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Post by FWLR » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:39 am

Impressive area there Peter, 18’ x 10’ Basement wow, i know a few N Gauge guys who would love that space. Love you locos too, very nice. :thumbup:
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Post by Big Jim » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:46 am

After seeing this I am looking at my garage in a new light, very impressive.
Just a thought regarding the LBD, could the back to back be slightly out,thus causing the lack of surefooted progress?
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Post by ge_rik » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:17 am

Really great to have so much indoor space. Must be reassuring to know you can get things done regardless of the weather.

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Post by IrishPeter » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:37 pm

Big Jim wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:46 am
After seeing this I am looking at my garage in a new light, very impressive.
Just a thought regarding the LBD, could the back to back be slightly out,thus causing the lack of surefooted progress?
Over or under? I stuck the ruler across it the other day and the B2B was 41mm; the powered end is 40mm. I am half convinced that the 41mm end is 1mm over what it should be, but an attempt to nip up the back to backs ended in failure as I would need to reset the axle bushes to get that dimension, which is more than a five minute job.

The space we have down there is considerable. The main basement is 19' by 27', and then there is an annex 13' by 14' so I make it about 714 sq. ft.. I have lived in houses that size. The 13' x 14' is basically "Herself's" storage area, and the central heating boiler, etc., occupies the middle of the large side, which creates a minor difficulty in that we need to maintain easy access to the boiler and the water heater. Amusingly, the fire irons from the days when the central heating was coal fired are still down there!

Yes, it is lovely having all that indoor space, but honestly, I liked being outdoors better. I am still playing with the idea of both an indoor and an outdoor line. The former for winter and summer, the latter for spring and autumn.

Cheers,
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