Marc Horovitz is Wrong. (IMO)

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Re: Marc Horovitz is Wrong. (IMO)

Post by dudeface » Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:20 am

drewzero1 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:41 am Wow, I thought to post one of those as my first suggestion, but thought they looked too normal! Maybe I've just been reading too much of Boulton's Siding and am getting desensitized to ugly locos?

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I actually find that one attractive! But what's going on with the cylinder situation? It almost looks like the chimney is going right through the cylinder(s). And it (they) look(s) unusually short.

My anger has dissipated and now I'm just confused. He's modeled lots of weird locos like this so I'm having a hard time imagining him thinking a locomotive was hideous. Unless it was the first one in this thread...

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Post by dudeface » Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:23 am

Actually it would appear that the cylinder is encased in the smokebox, probably to keep it warm and pre-heat it to prevent water condensing inside. Am I correct?
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Post by drewzero1 » Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:14 am

dudeface wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 2:23 am Actually it would appear that the cylinder is encased in the smokebox, probably to keep it warm and pre-heat it to prevent water condensing inside. Am I correct?
Correct- the cylinders are built into the top of the smokebox. It is noted in the book that the arrangement "doubtlessly kept [the cylinders] nice and warm." She was built in the early 1860s and served until at least 1884 as a contractor's loco for hire. I've been thinking about how the principle could be adapted to two-foot gauge (or thereabouts) but it's beyond my skill level at the moment.

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Re: Marc Horovitz is Wrong. (IMO)

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From Garden Rail Magazine
November 18, 2023

Marc Horovitz was hit by an SUV while he was walking in his neighborhood on Friday, October 27th. He was in Denver Health Hospital with major injuries. He is now home recovering from his injuries.
Marc is a co-founder of the " Denver Garden Railway Society", and founder of Garden Railways Magazine.
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Post by dudeface » Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:52 am

That's not good to hear... :? I hope he (sometime in the relatively near future) is ok. Do we really need more proof that SUVs are dumb?
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Post by -steves- » Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:19 pm

Oh dear, I know the scale is a little out at the moment, but I am working on it, all be it, slowly :oops: If I ever get around to finishing it, well, we will see.
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Post by philipy » Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:33 pm

Dear Oh dear Oh dear!!! :lol:
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Post by dudeface » Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:23 pm

The domes and chimney aren't crooked enough! :lol:
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Post by -steves- » Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:59 pm

dudeface wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:23 pm The domes and chimney aren't crooked enough! :lol:
You're right, it should be more like this
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Post by dudeface » Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:05 pm

-steves- wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:59 pm
dudeface wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:23 pm The domes and chimney aren't crooked enough! :lol:
You're right, it should be more like this
Much better! :D


But if you look at it closely you'll see they aren't perfectly upright, and the smaller dome is slightly more upright than the larger one. That's what it looks like to me anyway.
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Post by philipy » Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:18 pm

I think all three are parallel to the cab front.
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Post by -steves- » Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:20 pm

philipy wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:18 pm I think all three are parallel to the cab front.
I agree, I tried both ways twice and parallel to the boiler is what looks closest to me.
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Post by dudeface » Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:26 pm

philipy wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:18 pm I think all three are parallel to the cab front.
The chimney and front dome are definitely angled back slightly. I don't know about the rear dome. Compare Steve's drawing to the original picture.
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Post by drewzero1 » Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:19 pm

Print it in something flexible so the chimney and domes can wobble in and out of alignment as it trundles down the track :mrgreen:

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Re: Marc Horovitz is Wrong. (IMO)

Post by -steves- » Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:20 pm

dudeface wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:26 pm
philipy wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:18 pm I think all three are parallel to the cab front.
The chimney and front dome are definitely angled back slightly. I don't know about the rear dome. Compare Steve's drawing to the original picture.
I think it's just an optical illusion, but no matter how it really was, this is just my interpretation of it and therefore is right :lol:
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Post by -steves- » Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:21 pm

drewzero1 wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:19 pm Print it in something flexible so the chimney and domes can wobble in and out of alignment as it trundles down the track :mrgreen:
My kinda think :lol:
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Post by dudeface » Sun Dec 03, 2023 7:03 pm

-steves- wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:20 pm I think it's just an optical illusion,
If you hold a ruler up to it you can see that they are indeed at different angles. It might look better if they were upright, but "better" probably isn't what you'd be going for if you were modeling this! (If you were I that is.)
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Post by GAP » Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:09 pm

dudeface wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 6:52 am That's not good to hear... :? I hope he (sometime in the relatively near future) is ok. Do we really need more proof that SUVs are dumb?
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Post by dudeface » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:00 am

Should we continue this thread or start a new one under Off-Topic?
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Post by drewzero1 » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:13 am

dudeface wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:00 am Should we continue this thread or start a new one under Off-Topic?
As far as I can tell it's on topic or close enough, but maybe we could change the name to "In search of the ugliest train" or something more generic like that? I don't know who Marc Horovitz is and don't want to wish him ill, but I'm enjoying the general conversation. Maybe a mod or other experienced member has a suggestion... I'm still pretty new here myself and still getting the hang of the way we do things. :silent:

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