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Should I bring back H.G.Butler?

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:54 pm
by DolwyddelanLightRail
I have been toying with the idea of bringing my other Mamod loco, No.449 "H.G.Butler" back into service.
The reason why it is in preservation is because it is one of the Limited edition Golden Jubillee locos, and it is reaching 20 years old in december!
Here is a link to some pics of it:
http://dolwyddelanlightrail.webs.com/september09.htm
it is half way down the page onwards
When i last ran it (which was over 2 years ago now) it was leaking steam from everywhere, and it looked like it might need a major overhaul (new pistons etc)

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:57 pm
by Dr. Bond of the DVLR
Go for it! What I have found is that with about 3 locos at least one will be 'in the shops' at one time being modified, improved or fixed. So for more realiable services on your line it is advisable to have a back up loco!

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:46 pm
by DolwyddelanLightRail
I have taken the chassis off the main part of the body, and it looks like it is going to need new pistons (unless I can get into them to see why their so stiff even after lubrication), steam cascets, regulator, the lot!

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:03 pm
by PCLR
sounds like a great project hope it goes well

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:05 pm
by DLRdan
My advise if it is opne of the limeted edition locos is get it on ebay and let the collectors give you a rediculous amount of money











The get a Bertie :twisted:

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:08 pm
by DolwyddelanLightRail
i would but i inherited it off my grandfather, and I have played with the loco ever since i was a young child, so I can't really do that

and i like it too much, cause it's always been a pain the a*se!

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:20 pm
by mhlr
Well what I would do, not saying you should, but I'd just leave it non-running, and use the money you would use to fix it up for something else, ie: save for a loco such as Bertie, Edrig or whatever perhaps second hand, or for use on the track and stock etc... You end up forking out a bl00dy fortune on Mamods as one thing you fix, leads to another breaking! :lol:

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:26 pm
by DolwyddelanLightRail
well, i'm trying to revive the existing bits, cause when i last ran it, it leaked from the pistons and regulator. I'm going to run her over half term (if i'm not building the railway) to see what she's like

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:21 am
by Hancockshire
If you haven't run it before, it's advisable to replace some of the working parts e.g. Cylinders, reversing gear, steam & exhaust pipes

Re: Should I bring back H.G.Butler?

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:07 am
by DolwyddelanLightRail
DolwyddelanLightRail wrote: When i last ran it (which was over 2 years ago now) it was leaking steam from everywhere, and it looked like it might need a major overhaul (new pistons etc)
I have ran her before

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:11 am
by Endless, Nameless
Hancockshire wrote:If you haven't run it before, it's advisable to replace some of the working parts e.g. Cylinders, reversing gear, steam & exhaust pipes
Why would that be advisable? Surely a better idea would be to try it/ check it over and see what needs replacing? You wouldn't buy a second hand car then replace all the electrical system, brakes, clutch, and steering mechanism without driving it/ checking them first would you?

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:49 pm
by Hancockshire
Endless, Nameless wrote:Why would that be advisable?
I know as a fact that Mamod's prefer to be run constantly (As I've found out with my Traction engine). The pipes could be full of s##t. Try putting vinegar in it & clean the pipes thoroughly. Cylinders & reversing gear are quite cheap so getting that mamod up & running should be easy. I mean, How hard can it be? :roll:

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:54 pm
by Dr. Bond of the DVLR
I think you may be missing the point. DLR wants to see what needs repairing/replacing first before spending any money on new parts- very wise in my books. I do suggest a make do and mend look on things where appropriate.
I look foreward to the progress

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:56 pm
by Hancockshire
Mr. Bond of the DVLR wrote:I think you may be missing the point. DLR wants to see what needs repairing/replacing first before spending any money on new parts- very wise in my books. I do suggest a make do and mend look on things where appropriate.
I look foreward to the progress
That didn't stop me when I bought the track for my garden railway before I was allowed

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:34 pm
by SillyBilly
Hancockshire wrote:I know as a fact that Mamod's prefer to be run constantly
Not really the more often you run them the quicker you nacker them.

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:49 pm
by DolwyddelanLightRail
SillyBilly wrote: Not really the more often you run them the quicker you nacker them.
I do agree with you there, but mine are still running in almost!

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:42 pm
by DolwyddelanLightRail
An Update on the Overhaul:

I have decided to swap H.G.Butler's chassis with Britomarts (my "In service" loco") and fire Britomart up to see how the chassis takes it.

The main reason for doing this is because I have the actual side tanks and boiler perfectly clean ( compared to what she used to be) and Britomart has a better boiler capacity (i.e., higher safety valve, less leaks etc)

Here are some pics of her:

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(Some of you may have seen a couple of these?)

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This shows the swapped chassis better

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This is the condition she's in now, and here's before:

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This is what she was like before preservation!!!!! :shock:
One reason why I think she never performed that well is that I think the pistons havn't been worn in yet, because every time I seem to move the wheels, it gets easier and easier everytime (under compressed air)


I didn't manage to fire her over half term, so possibly I may go ahead when I'm home this weekend!

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:54 pm
by Dr. Bond of the DVLR
looks like good progress!

Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:15 pm
by ptlrcecil
Hancockshire wrote: I mean, How hard can it be?  :roll:
Its a mamod dont say that.

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:07 pm
by DolwyddelanLightRail
Well, today I had a bit of time in the dying sun to run Britomart. I got a couple of vids, which are quite long and humorous(ish) so when I get the time I'll post them.