First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

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Re: First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

Post by Tom85 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:52 am

Thanks both. I am increasingly thinking I am going to have to build a coach to go with it, perhaps a Rye & Camber inspired 'car' with balcony ends... must stop starting to many projects at once :)

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Re: First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

Post by FWLR » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:42 am

That's the trouble isn't it. I have at least 4 started, but no where near finished. :roll:
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Post by ge_rik » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:21 pm

I usually have at least four projects on the go at any one time. I usually work my way through them - though some take longer (maybe years) to finish compared with others. I find it useful to switch to another project when, for example, I'm waiting for paint to harden off or concrete to set.

And then, of course, there's the projects not yet started. My current to do list runs to around three pages of A4!!!

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Post by philipy » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:59 pm

I know I'm an oddity amongst modellers but I rarely have more than one thing on the go. I hate having anything unfinished, whether building a model, decorating a room or reading a book, I simply have to keep going at every possible moment, much to my wife's annoyance.

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Post by Peter Butler » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:10 pm

I think I would place myself in the same category as Philip, not having more than one model or kit on the workbench at any one time. I may have done so in the past and discovered it doesn't work for me, but I can usually continue with another part of the same build whilst waiting for something to set or dry. I can see the temptation of available kits could lead to multiple builds but scratch building would make it more difficult. Certainly the need to finish becomes an obsession with me once I start on something. You might have noticed I am quite a fast worker.
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Re: First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

Post by FWLR » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:34 am

I was bit like Peter when I first started in 16mm, but the urge to get some building done and rolling stock took over. Then for some reason I did lose interest and now it takes ages for me to finish my builds, it's never been my way of doing things. Maybe it's been my health issues, I don't know.


But hey, let's not dwell on that Tom. You do excellent work on your builds. Carry on please and show us more of it. :thumbright: :thumbright:
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Re: First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

Post by Tom85 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:17 pm

Thanks again for everyone's encouragement on this project. On projects in general I identify with a lot of what has been said. My enthusiasm for tasks, whether model railway related or not, comes and goes. It's the old analogy about a grass fire - it spreads quickly, but at the same time, quickly goes out in the original area. Luckily that hasn't happened yet with the Bagnall though.

That said, I do have a couple of questions for you folk. I've run into a couple of frustrating hitches recently, perhaps someone knows what the problem is?

Firstly, my latest coat of car rattle-can paint (on the cab / tank structure) came out badly, like a dull matt finish. This didn't happen on previous coats of the same paint. Was this my own fault for doing it on a day with too much moisture in the air, or is it some other mistake?

Also, I've used Humbrol model paints for some detail, specifically red for the buffer beams. I cannot get a good finish on it at all, even after several coats, and it doesn't seem to adhere very well either. I don't remember having this problem as a teenager painting Airfix models or stuff for my N gauge layout. This was a while ago, mind, and in the intervening years these paints appear to have switched from an oil to water based formula. Are the paints just not as good anymore, or not suitable for Plasticard? What are other people using?

Thanks for your help 😊

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Post by philipy » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:05 pm

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Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:17 pm
Are the paints just not as good anymore, or not suitable for Plasticard? What are other people using?

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To answer this point, it isn't 'you', it's Humbrol. The early stuff we all knew and loved, stopped being made back in about 2006 when the company went bust and was bought by Hornby. They shifted production to China ( surprise!) and the quality went down the pan( even bigger surprise!!). Although they subsequently brought production back to the UK it is still not a patch on the original stuff. Main problem is its very poor covering power needing many coats to get any depth of colour.

Acrylic paints have become the paint of choice for many people. Revell do a good range, and Games Workshop/Citadel are pricey but very good although they only do strange colours with weird names!

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Post by Peter Butler » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:43 pm

I use rattle can acrylics on most of my models, always beginning with a grey primer on all surfaces. Sometimes the finish can vary according to the colour, make, undercoat, cold or damp conditions. For detailing, such as buffer beams etc, I always use Games Workshop acrylics, which are not cheap as Philip has pointed out, but excellent quality having dense pigment. They leave no brush strokes after drying.
Once the model is painted I spray locomotive bodywork (plastikard models) with a Satin Clear Lacquer, which gives a consistent finish, or matt lacquer for goods rolling stock.
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Re: First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

Post by FWLR » Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:58 am

I haven't used Humbrol for some years now, even though I do have some left lying around. I just can't bring myself to throw them away.
Responsibly if course :roll: :roll:

You won't go far wrong with following Peter's advice. I do, putting a grey primer on before painting with any medium, wether its rattle can, brush or spray brush. Damp conditions is a no go with rattle cans or spray brushing. Use some wet and dry and give the paint work a good smoothing out and try again, hopefully in dryer conditions and see how it goes. You should get a better result. :thumbright:
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Re: First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

Post by Tom85 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:44 pm

Thanks for the advice everyone. Much appreciated. I'll be avoiding that brand in future. Pity that the qualify isn't what it used to be.

Now just waiting for a nice dry day to re-spray my loco!

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Re: First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

Post by Tom85 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:45 pm

Peter Butler wrote: ↑
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:43 pm
I use rattle can acrylics on most of my models, always beginning with a grey primer on all surfaces. Sometimes the finish can vary according to the colour, make, undercoat, cold or damp conditions. For detailing, such as buffer beams etc, I always use Games Workshop acrylics, which are not cheap as Philip has pointed out, but excellent quality having dense pigment. They leave no brush strokes after drying.
Once the model is painted I spray locomotive bodywork (plastikard models) with a Satin Clear Lacquer, which gives a consistent finish, or matt lacquer for goods rolling stock.
IMG_7088.JPG
IMG_3221.JPG
Sometimes a light matt spray over a satin coat gives a nice finish.
Humbrol paints are not used on the BURPS.
Peter, those both look amazing! Great job. What did you use for the lining?

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Re: First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

Post by tom_tom_go » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:50 pm

Humbrol brought back their paint production to the UK years ago as mentioned and all the new tinlets I have bought are good quality.

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Re: First time scratchbuild project - Bagnall steam loco

Post by Peter Butler » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:05 pm

Hi Tom85, thanks for the comments, the lining I use is a self adhesive tape which is available in a huge variety of colours and from many sources on-line.......
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It includes several different widths of tape, even the wider ones can be trimmed to suit, so there is no waste.
Once applied I use the acrylic lacquer to seal it in position.
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