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Applying custom lettering?

Post by big-ted » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:50 pm

I'm just finishing up a North Pilton Works open wagon that I'm wanting to paint up as a private owner's wagon with custom made lettering. I was leaning towards using Letraset-style dry transfer lettering, but it seems this is hard to come by these days, especially given the larger font size I would need. I'm not adverse to handpainting, but I'm pretty sure I would make a mess of it. I do have some liquid mask I use for painting on the insides of polycarbonate R/C car bodies, but I'm not sure I could cut any straighter with a scalpel than I could paint with a brush...

I'm not looking for anything fancy in terms of font, and plain white is fine.

Any suggestions appreciated.

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Post by BorisSpencer » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:14 pm

I print my own waterslide transfers, but there are some downsides.
1. you need access to a laser printer.
2. you can't produce white on a transparent background.

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Post by Dasher » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:37 am

There's plenty of Letraset available on eBay but I've given up on trying to apply it to rolling stock. I find lining it up almost impossible and getting the print to stick onto a textured surface also quite difficult. I was using it on Binnie GVT wagons. I was using black, but white is available. If you want a reference then 36pt Plantin Bold Condensed (sheet 1627) is a very good scale match for the GVT wagon. A bold upper case "A" measures 10.5mm by 7.1 mm (across the base).

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Post by philipy » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:48 am

Peter Butler did a couple of posts on the custom vinyl lettering he had made at fairly reasonable prices, I believe.
viewtopic.php?f=39&t=11269&p=127176&hil ... ng#p127176

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Post by TheChestnutLine » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:46 pm

Here's a supplier of Vinyl lettering in white that I'm going to try. Coincidently I'm looking to 'privatise' a wagon and had been pondering the same options as you before I saw your post!

https://www.alwayshobbies.com/materials ... matt-white

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Post by cncmodeller » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:46 pm

I use an ALPS printer to do my lettering which can print in white,gold and silver as well as the normal colours, although lately I'm having trouble finding good decal paper. A lot of them seem to now have a clear backing sheet which goes all stretchy once you slide the decal off the paper.

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Post by Oily Rag » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:00 am

Are ALPS printers still around? They went like gold dust at one time and were seemingly only available secondhand. Then I was informed that RICOH had bought them out and had no plans to reinstate the product range. I must admit I have not looked for them recently.
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Post by TonyW » Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:07 am

I prefer rub-down transfers over waterslide any day, but they are getting harder to find. However, I've just had great service and product from these people when I bought these: https://www.trainshop.co.uk/spares/1647 ... 07524.html

They stock loads of other fonts and sizes.

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Post by GTB » Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:35 pm

Oily Rag wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:00 am
Are ALPS printers still around?
ALPS Electric is still trading, they just don't make the MD series printers anymore.

They remained available on the Japanese home market after they disappeared elsewhere and there was also a source in NZ. Printer production ceased in 2010 and the ribbon production line closed in 2015. There is a company in Japan that still supports them with ribbons and refurbished printers.

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Post by TheChestnutLine » Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:28 pm

TonyW wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:07 am
I prefer rub-down transfers over waterslide any day, but they are getting harder to find. However, I've just had great service and product from these people when I bought these: https://www.trainshop.co.uk/spares/1647 ... 07524.html

They stock loads of other fonts and sizes.
Would the rub-down transfers work on the texture of the ironwork of a wagon?

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Post by Oily Rag » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:01 pm

Thanks Graeme. It is not surprising that they are no longer available really. I had an interest in one some years back now but they were expensive then and even using one commercially in a small way could not be justified. However Mrs Oily Rag has been looking and ferreting on the net. There does seem to be a UK company now listing refurbished items but the prices are eye watering and I think she said one came up at £3145 (GBP) and some are available in the USA from upwards of $499 (US). The other problem is of course the driver, none of those she found went beyond VISTA for a driver and that could be a problem.

I know I ran into that trouble with a Pacific Data Protracer A2 monochrome I used for my drawings. Luckily it had all Canon guts and I found an outfit in Brisbane QLD who had a driver compatible with Windows 7 and 8 at the time. Eventually the heads failed, replacements were available from Canada at a price so it went to the scrapyard in the sky after over 20 years service.

I am still cheating with an HP Deskjet 1280 A3 max. No driver of course for later Windows after XP but with a bit of name changing the HP 1220 driver works well. However thats off topic.

Thanks for the link Tony for rub-down lettering. A lot of that has disappeared but there is the BECC business of all sorts of this sort of thing and Cornwall Model Boats allegedley give a good service.
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Post by big-ted » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:31 pm

Hmm. Thanks for the input all. Laser printer isn't a problem, but had I appreciated the difficulty printing white I might have chosen a different color scheme!

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Post by GTB » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:54 am

big-ted wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:31 pm
Hmm. Thanks for the input all. Laser printer isn't a problem, but had I appreciated the difficulty printing white I might have chosen a different color scheme!
You could always paint the wagon side white and print a black decal with clear lettering on an ordinary laser printer. When the transfer is applied, you have the effect of white lettering on a black ground.

Do you have any half way decent hobby shops in Vancouver? Woodland Scenics make dry transfer sheets and there is a white RR Gothic sheet in the range that has 3/8" and 1/2" letters in a similar style to your example.

https://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics ... item/MG733

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Post by cncmodeller » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:10 am

I'd just use these :-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Decadry-Supe ... SwTxhcF~Ac

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FUTURA-DEMI- ... Swph1c9Bd6

It's not like the Font is unusual and there isn't 'that' many words to do.

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Post by BorisSpencer » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:14 am

GTB wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:54 am
big-ted wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:31 pm
Hmm. Thanks for the input all. Laser printer isn't a problem, but had I appreciated the difficulty printing white I might have chosen a different color scheme!
You could always paint the wagon side white and print a black decal with clear lettering on an ordinary laser printer. When the transfer is applied, you have the effect of white lettering on a black ground.

Do you have any half way decent hobby shops in Vancouver? Woodland Scenics make dry transfer sheets and there is a white RR Gothic sheet in the range that has 3/8" and 1/2" letters in a similar style to your example.

https://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics ... item/MG733

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Graeme
The transparent carrier will leave a slightly glossy sheen, also where it conforms to the underlying detail it can 'crack' letting the base colour show through.
I use this - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sheets-Laser-W ... K9VBMJ1Z8M it's less than a pound a sheet, and if you have ready access to a laser printer then you can experiment.

I tend to fill all the empty spaces with signs which can be put onto bits of plasticard and stuck all over the place. Private, No Admittance, Danger, Not to be Moved etc.

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