TVT - Start of Steam Operation

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by FWLR » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:09 am

Finally got your locos and rolling stock running on your'e brilliant line. It's been a great achievement for you, especially in that heat you have down there.

Can we expect a short video of your locos. It would be great for the members to see and hear them.

Ps, Spelling mistakes from me.... :roll: :roll:
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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by GTB » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:28 am

RobRossington wrote: ↑
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I’ve had an idea forming over the past few weeks to Anglicise a pair of Bachmann big hauler ones to run with my Baldwins. Do you have any closer photos of it by any chance?
There's a couple of my threads on Australianising the Bachmann pass cars. The colour scheme I use is the one the VR used on Melbourne suburban electric cars from the mid '30s to the late '50s.

This thread is the straight pass car conversion based on some broad gauge cars imported from the US. It contains more detail on what was done to the Bachmann models.

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=10173&p=114957#p114957

The van version is covered in this thread and is based on another broad gauge car type, converted by the VR from the old pass cars by adding a guard's compartment for outer suburban traffic.

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=10817&p=122004#p122004

The pass cars are similar to some ng stock built by UK builders for export, but the van is more of an Aust. special.

Luckily I don't need any more passenger stock, as Bachmann prices are rising locally due to scarcity and while they are cheap enough in the US, the postage is ludicrous, making the final cost too much for what they are........

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by RobRossington » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:48 am

Thanks Graeme. They’re stunning.

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by Mitch stack » Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:41 pm

Great Photos and Workmanship as always Graeme, rather fond of the Livery on Bourn! hope to see some timber tram action soon!.
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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by GTB » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:28 pm

FWLR wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:09 am
Can we expect a short video of your locos. It would be great for the members to see and hear them.
Sorry Rod, I'm a card carrying Luddite. I don't own any device that can take a video and have little interest in buying one.

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by FWLR » Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:31 am

GTB wrote: ↑
Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:28 pm
FWLR wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:09 am
Can we expect a short video of your locos. It would be great for the members to see and hear them.
Sorry Rod, I'm a card carrying Luddite. I don't own any device that can take a video and have little interest in buying one.

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Thats a real shame Graeme. Would have been great to see... :( ...

:idea: Have you got a Mobile phone ? You can take videos with them, if you have...
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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by GTB » Wed May 01, 2019 7:27 am

Yesterday afternoon was ideal steaming weather, cool, light winds and a clear sky, so Bogong was rostered to run the roadside goods.

Bogong is a Roundhouse #24 model, modified to look more Australian and less SR&RLRR. Like the other black locos on the TVT it is painted in three shades of black and lightly weathered.

A roadside goods in VR terms was a goods train that worked it's way along the line, stopping and shunting any stations that had any goods traffic offering on that day. Adherence to a timetable was nominal at best. The other two possibilities were a through goods that only stopped to cross other trains and a fast goods, which ran with modified rolling stock at higher speeds than a through goods. A line like the TVT in the '30s would have run a weekly roadside and the occasional through goods if enough traffic was on offer, such as a livestock train on a day when the local stock sales were held.

So, here is Bogong waiting in the afternoon sun for steam to be raised.....

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This photo shows it ambling along with eighteen four-wheeled trucks on the curve at the southern end of the track. These four wheelers don't run as well as the bogie goods vehicles, especially on curves and this train is close to the load limit for the loco on this track. On the curves it slowed down to the point you could just about count the spokes on the drivers as it went past.

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The next photo shows the train a bit further along and it is now accelerating as the wagons are past the curve.

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The last photo shows the loco sitting quietly in the late afternoon sun while it cools down.

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With a load this heavy, speeds were low and Bogong was working hard, so managed only 12 circuits of the track in 22 mins, which gives an average scale speed of 15mph.

On a run the other day, the similar size Bagnall 2-6-2 Bunyip managed a longer run on a through goods at a higher average speed, using less water and gas. The train was just as long as the roadside goods, but the rolling resistance of the bogie goods stock was much lower.

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by GTB » Tue May 14, 2019 4:22 pm

Today dawned bright and clear, but I had to go out just after lunch. When I got back, the sun was still out and the sky clear as I started setting up for a run. By the time steam was up, the sky had clouded over. Of course when the run was over and I was packing up, the sun came back out........

This run was with one of the timber tram locos, specifically the Shay.

With the sun behind the clouds, at least the diffused light made it easier to take a photo of a dirty black locomotive and this photo shows the Shay sitting for it's portrait before the run.

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The next photo shows the Shay leaving the bridge with a train of eleven pairs, which is all the timber tram rolling stock the line owns.

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This loco is glacially slow out on the line, like it's prototype, so it took a while to progress around to the back of the track and this photo shows it running under the pittosporums along the back fence. It's hard to find photos of real Shays taken from the non-drive side, as most photographers regarded this as the uninteresting view. Photos from the drive side are more common.

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After the loco finally made it back to the junction, I reduced the load to five pairs for the next circuit and this photo shows the shorter train running along the back part of the line. The load reduction was a test to see if the loco ran any faster with a lighter load. It didn't.

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The last photo shows the train ambling through the junction and approaching the bridge. That was the end of the run, as the gas ran out as it got to the bridge.........

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The Accucraft Shay is an attractive reproduction of the prototype, but the operation on the track leaves much to be desired. The loco managed exactly two trips around the track, taking about 11 min. to do each circuit, which works out at an average speed of 2.5 scale mph, i.e. a slow walking pace.

The speed is the same no matter what load it is pulling, on straight track, or curved track, or even if it is running light. It isn't noticeably affected by reasonable gradients either.


Winter is setting in hereabouts, so the opportunity for running trains will become rarer for a few months.

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by Mitch stack » Wed May 15, 2019 1:39 am

Fabulous photos Graeme! looking forward to seeing more photos of the krauss in action soon enough.
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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by FWLR » Wed May 15, 2019 8:55 am

Agree with Mitch, they are real beauties..Love the Black livery too.
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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by Andrew » Wed May 15, 2019 9:35 am

GTB wrote: ↑
Tue May 14, 2019 4:22 pm

Winter is setting in hereabouts, so the opportunity for running trains will become rarer for a few months.
I hope we still get to see the odd train when the weather allows, it's been wonderful to see your locos and stock in action - the "roadside goods" was fantastic!

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by GTB » Thu May 16, 2019 1:53 pm

Today stayed sunny and there was no wind, so I took the opportunity to run another couple of trains on the timber tram.

First up was the converted Baldwin tram loco from Hayden's Tramway at Barwon Downs, west of Melbourne. There aren't a lot of places for photos on my track, so it's the formula as usual.

The first pic shows the little Baldwin sitting in the sun before the run.

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The next pic shows it ambling along the back straight with four loaded pairs in tow, heading for the VR interchange at Barwon Downs. A heavier train than the prototype could handle I suspect.

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This pic shows it coming around the curve into the junction. With the sun getting lower in the sky as the winter solstice approaches, trains are now running in permanent shade at the northern end of the track.

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The last pic shows it coming off the bridge heading south in the afternoon sun.

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This model is a modified Accucraft Ruby kit and is a very small loco, so long runs are not an option, but once it gets going it runs smoothly and at reasonable speeds with a light load. It managed six circuits of the track at a fairly steady 18 scale mph before the gas ran out.


Since it was a nice day, I decided to have a second run. This time the Fowler from the Warburton Steam Tramway in the hills behind Melbourne was given a run.

The first photo is the usual portrait shot, sitting in the late afternoon sun.

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The next photo shows it ambling along the long straight with it's load of six pairs of sawn timber on the way to the VR interchange at La La Siding at the end of the VR broad gauge Warburton line.

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Further into the run, this photo shows the loco slowing down for the junction turnouts, before running onto the bridge. The only photo I've seen of this loco in service showed it running cab first with a load. There was no way to turn locos on the tramway, so it would have always run cab first when loaded and smokebox first when returning empties to the sawmills.

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The last photo shows the Fowler sitting in the last rays of the sun cooling down after the run, with the wye junction filling in for La La sidings.

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The run was 12 circuits at an average speed of 22 scale mph before the gas ran out. This run was shorter than it's usual performance, so some investigatory maintenance is indicated when the workshop bench becomes available again.

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by Mitch stack » Fri May 17, 2019 5:26 am

Nice photos graeme, that fowler looks impressive too! Im putting a timber siding on my new extension, how did you build the timber for the wagons and connect them to the bogies? regards Mitch :)

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by GTB » Fri May 17, 2019 11:23 am

Mitch stack wrote: ↑
Fri May 17, 2019 5:26 am
Im putting a timber siding on my new extension, how did you build the timber for the wagons and connect them to the bogies?
Assembling the loads is shown in this old post. I've got a small bench saw which I use to cut small wood pieces for models. I go through the rack at Bunnings to find nice straight pieces of pine with no knots and growth rings that aren't too obvious, then rip them down to size.

https://gardenrails.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=11904

The timber load is glued to the upper bolster on the timber bogie with yellow woodworking glue. The tiedown chains and belly chains are mostly cosmetic and the chain comes from a model boat manufacturer. Boat modelling has a lot of useful bits and fittings available......

There's also an earlier post which shows how the timber bogies were made.

https://gardenrails.org/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=8254

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Re: TVT - Start of Steam Operation

Post by GTB » Fri May 17, 2019 4:46 pm

There's a slow moving high over SE Aust. and the good weather continues, so having committed a bit of weedicide in the garden earlier in the day, I decided to take advantage of a nice autumn afternoon and boil some water again.

My Garratt is 16mm scale, rather than the 15mm scale I use, so it tends to look wrong with most of my rolling stock, but if I put it on a goods and marshall the open wagons at the loco end, it looks reasonable........

So, as usual the first photo shows it sitting in the steaming bay waiting for the billy to boil.

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The next pic shows it out on the road with a through goods, heading south in the late autumn sun.

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The next photo shows the train coming off the bridge and running through the junction. This is my only r/c loco and is fitted with gear from RCS in Aust.

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I've found some locos co-operate and stop in an accessible part of the track when the gas runs out. Not the Garratt though, so I thought I'd try using the motor mule as a rescue loco. A bit surprisingly it started the Garratt and it's train and continued to pull it back to the wye junction at a reasonable speed and with little wheel slip. All of which puts the construction of a larger diesel for rescue work further down the workshop list. The photo shows the mule hauling the dead Garratt along the elevated section towards the bridge.

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Nextdoor's tabby sometimes pays a visit and trades stares with my two through the sun room windows. She was curled up in the shrubbery up the back earlier when I was weed spraying and took off back home as I approached. Later in the day she almost had a near Garratt experience, as this time the train flushed her out for the second time in the day.

"I tawt I taw a puddy tat". The photo shows her lurking in the bushes before doing her usual trick of scaling the 6' fence in one jump, stopping to look back and then jumping down on her own side.

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With the Garratt now clear of the section, RM1 on the afternoon rail motor service hurries south through late afternoon sun to make up time.

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