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ge_rik wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:37 am Thanks Greg
I put everything into the cab. The tanks hold a couple of really chunky weights which I wanted to retain for adhesion.
Rik

I thought I remembered that the tanks were separate from the boiler and I couldn't use them. (But that was 1997 when I took two Lyns, threw away most of them, and made this..

gregh wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:34 pm I thought I remembered that the tanks were separate from the boiler and I couldn't use them. (But that was 1997 when I took two Lyns, threw away most of them, and made this..

What a magnificent beast. I doubt my conversion will be quite so impressive. I'm looking for an Irish 4-4-0 or 0-4-4 but all those I've looked at so far have larger drivers.
In 15mm scale Lyn's drivers are 2' 6" on a 5' wheelbase. I think I might have to improvise a design of loco they might have made. I quite like the look of a Schull & Skibbereen Peckett - driver wheelbase = 5' 6" : driver dia = 3' 4" I might be able to get away with the smaller wheel diameter as the flanges are over sized and so the wheels look a bit larger.
Image source: https://spellerweb.net/rhindex/Ireland/ ... chull.html

Rik

Looks like that would make a rather interesting prototype.
Not sure how successful it will be with the cylinders outside the frames and the drivers inside, I don't think the marketing department spoke to the technical department when creating the artwork.

BorisSpencer wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:41 am Looks like that would make a rather interesting prototype.
Not sure how successful it will be with the cylinders outside the frames and the drivers inside, I don't think the marketing department spoke to the technical department when creating the artwork.

It was actually built and ran for a while. Source: https://durrushistory.com/2013/11/25/tr ... y-co-cork/

Though it was later rebuilt with inside frames.

Rik

What a crazy, distorted picture.... the shed door looks to be off alignment with the track and too narrow for the locomotive, also the track beneath the loco looks to be higher than the adjacent rails and suggests it is on some kind of traverser. Only when studied more closely is it possible to see a turntable.... I think?

What a lovely possibility Rik. I can just picture one of those in PLR green!

CFLR Andrew

Peter Butler wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:13 pm What a crazy, distorted picture.... the shed door looks to be off alignment with the track and too narrow for the locomotive, also the track beneath the loco looks to be higher than the adjacent rails and suggests it is on some kind of traverser. Only when studied more closely is it possible to see a turntable.... I think?

Just checked the track plan for the station at Schull and indeed it is a turntable, with the engine shed at right angles to the station platform. As they used to say in Railway Modeller, there's a prototype for everything ......

Rik

A big coincidence - my sketching for a future indoor layout had a turntable with loco shed at right angles to Main, just like Schull.

Back on topic, here is your challenge (should you choose to accept) -
https://livinghistories.newcastle.edu.a ... /view/4345

I've thought and thought for years how I could do the 'fancy shaped' saddle tank but it is too hard for me. Does anyone know if that shape has a name?
It's an 0-6-0 but a 2-4-0 would look the same or you could stretch it to a 4-4-0.


A friend in NZ made one, here....
http://ashrail.com/F72.htm

gregh wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:09 am Does anyone know if that shape has a name?

Hi Greg!

According to this article https://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/2608/ ... -survivor/ it's an "ogee" tank - I've seen that tearm to describle the sape of arches etc in architecture...

The litte Great Eastern tanks of this style were known as "coffee pots" - the sole survivor used to live at the North Woolwich station museum, where I'd visit it sometimes on the way to see my Nan in Plaistow:



It's a lovely loco, and I like your 0-6-0 variant too Greg.

Andrew.

ge_rik wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:57 pm

Peter Butler wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:13 pm What a crazy, distorted picture.... the shed door looks to be off alignment with the track and too narrow for the locomotive, also the track beneath the loco looks to be higher than the adjacent rails and suggests it is on some kind of traverser. Only when studied more closely is it possible to see a turntable.... I think?

Just checked the track plan for the station at Schull and indeed it is a turntable, with the engine shed at right angles to the station platform. As they used to say in Railway Modeller, there's a prototype for everything ......

Rik

It's wonderful, isn't it? If I were to start over in the garden I might be tempted to go down the Irish 3' route - well, I might if I could work out how to pronounce the place names!

Lovely loco Rik, a great combination of Peckett chunkiness ("Henbury", on the Bristol Harbour Railway has those curves from cab to bunker) and the elegance that almost always seems to come with 4-4-0 designs. I think it'll be a beauty...

Andrew.

That ogee tank doe look a little beauty Andrew. Although the buffer does look a little weird and ugly compared to the loco..

If I remember rightly, Peter Butler has constructed a loco with a coffee pot tank. Peter's always one to rise to a rise to a challenge

Rik

This is my own version, all HIP construction and Deltang R/C fitted......
I have to admit to not being the maker of the body but I have built the chassis, added R/C and re-painted etc. During this process I can confirm there is a generous amount of filler used to make the lovely curve at the top of the tank sides.
It is a beautiful and unusual loco and runs smoothly on 12v. with ample power to haul a long passenger train.
Edit..... just noticed Rik's post as I submitted this.

That is a real beauty Peter, bit jealous, well a lot really...

gregh wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:09 am Back on topic, here is your challenge (should you choose to accept) -
https://livinghistories.newcastle.edu.a ... /view/4345

I've thought and thought for years how I could do the 'fancy shaped' saddle tank but it is too hard for me. Does anyone know if that shape has a name?

As Andrew says, the double curve of the tank sides is referred to as an ogee. Usually the mark of early Andrew Barclay locos, but also used by other builders. The Barclay in the photo started it's life on the kerosene shale line at Joadja near Mittagong, before being sold to the timber mill at Bonville.

An ogee is a standard shape used in decorative wood mouldings. It occurs to me that there may be a suitable size commercial moulding available that could be used to form the tank side profile, then fix it to a ply frame and skin it with thin polystyrene sheet. If you, or a mate, have a router table, it may be easier to just make a piece of custom moulding.

I'd like to build a model of the little Barclay loco that ran on the Powelltown Tramway and rejoiced in the nickname 'Squirt'. Making the tank in brass doesn't worry me, but the loco is too small to build as a reliable steamer in 1:20 scale. I've no interest in building in 7/8 scale and I can't bring myself to build a battery powered steam loco.......

Regards,
Graeme

GTB wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:17 pm
An ogee is a standard shape used in decorative wood mouldings. It occurs to me that there may be a suitable size commercial moulding available that could be used to form the tank side profile, then fix it to a ply frame and skin it with thin polystyrene sheet.

Graeme

Absolutely correct, and speaking as a retired professional picture framer I can confirm such mouldings have been available for years. There may be listings on internet sites, although there would be enough material to make several boilers, so a joint project could be considered, and be more economical too!

GTB wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:17 pm
It occurs to me that there may be a suitable size commercial moulding available that could be used to form the tank side profile, then fix it to a ply frame and skin it with thin polystyrene sheet. If you, or a mate, have a router table, it may be easier to just make a piece of custom moulding.

Looks like an ideal candidate for 3d printing. Save an awful lot of pfaffing about.

Just catalogued all 103 videos of the PLR to analyse their content. Interesting that unconsciously, I seem to favour some locos over others and some types of train. I've also found out that Peckforton Station has more clips devoted to it than anywhere else on the line.
What is significant is that the number of the locos indicates when they joined the line so, theoretically, those near the top of the list should have been used more than those lower down the list. Not so, I clearly have my favourites .....

Rik

That's interesting!

I think the Manning Wardle's my favourite of your locos, but I'm surprised mixed trains aren't higher up the rankings, they're what spring to mind when I think of the PLR...

I think (without thinking ) we just naturally gravitate to an engine or train that approaches our ideal of "perfection" --- an engine that runs, sounds, responds exceptionally well or a train that projects an exceptionally wholesome look about it or fits so well into the "home" we created for it. Whatever reason, they give us that great feeling of serenity as they trundle down the track -- and we love them.