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Post by FWLR » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:41 am

Peter Butler wrote: Sun Jun 22, 2025 2:10 pm For those who follow the Quarterly Garden Railway Gallery (competition), this was my entry for 'Road vehicles on the railway'. From the one thousand, nine hundred and seventy three registered Forum members it won four votes of the total of seventeen cast! It would be nice to see more members taking part and show encouragement to entrants by joining in the fun. Everyone is eligible to enter.


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Hi Peter,

Although there may well be 1,973 Forum members, I’m not sure all of them regularly visit the forum, so asking them to participate in voting is never going to happen. The present system of voting however does require members voting, which is ok in its own way, but it does need some sort of update to make it easier and possible for more members to win. I know it sounds like sour grapes and all that, it does seem however like it is the same few members winning and it may not seem to have any impact in terms of winning anything, but a lot of members might think “Why bother, I never win anyway” so they just won’t vote or even enter to see that they’re photo/s , having two photos also makes it harder for them to either don’t get a vote or they see the same members win, even though it’s a bit of fun and there is nothing given for winning, it doesn’t encourage them to submit or even vote. Has you know I don’t visit that much nowadays myself so I suppose I may miss the opportunity to vote.

Anyway enough of that…. :roll: Congratulations for winning again, brilliant how you do your conversions and they do somehow fit into your thinking skills for creating something new and interesting from just something most would never think about, including me. My thoughts on creating something from anything in my imagination seems to have been dwindling now :lol: :lol:

Have you come up with something for this month’s competition. Knowing you it will probably be something interestingly different..

Congratulations :blob6: :blob6: :blob6: again Peter.

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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by philipy » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:41 am

FWLR wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:41 am

Although there may well be 1,973 Forum members, I’m not sure all of them regularly visit the forum, so asking them to participate in voting is never going to happen. The present system of voting however does require members voting, which is ok in its own way, but it does need some sort of update to make it easier and possible for more members to win. I know it sounds like sour grapes and all that, it does seem however like it is the same few members winning and it may not seem to have any impact in terms of winning anything, but a lot of members might think “Why bother, I never win anyway” so they just won’t vote or even enter to see that they’re photo/s , having two photos also makes it harder for them to either don’t get a vote or they see the same members win, even though it’s a bit of fun and there is nothing given for winning, it doesn’t encourage them to submit or even vote. Has you know I don’t visit that much nowadays myself so I suppose I may miss the opportunity to vote.
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I don't want to hijack Peter's thread, but I'm not sure that I'm understanding your point? What 'update' do you think is required? I'm more than happy to consider suggestions.

The requirement to log in to vote is to ensure that we don't get deluged with idiotic votes from random passing strangers. However any forum member can enter and any member can vote and it therefore follows that anyone can win, but so many apparently are too lazy to vote, let alone enter.
I find it extremely frustrating that, for instance, this time we were up to 17 views of the voting thread before there was one vote cast! Can anyone explain to me why the first 15 ( the other 2 were me checking, so that doesn't count) didn't simply push a button whilst they were there??

There is no necessity to enter two photo's and most people don't, I never have myself. When we originally discussed the question of allowing multiple entries, I was of the opinion that, as you have just said, it dilutes your chances of winning. However if you feel that is the case, why did you enter two pictures yourself this time? - I'm not saying you shouldn't have done, they were both perfectly acceptable to the theme, it's just that you did exactly what you are commenting on.

As for opportunity, the entry thread is open for 3 months and the voting for 2 weeks and I normally post at least one reminder shortly before the closing dates. If anyone goes more than 2 weeks without looking into the forum then that is up to them, not much we can do about it. It is interesting to see that the June voting thread had 469 views but only 17 votes cast...why? Similarly, the September entry thread has so far had 101 views and one entry! Ok, obviously I know folks have to read it to know what this quarters theme is, but I'll bet we don't get more than the usual 10 or a dozen entries by 3 months time!
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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by FWLR » Mon Jun 23, 2025 1:42 pm

philipy wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:41 am
FWLR wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:41 am

Although there may well be 1,973 Forum members, I’m not sure all of them regularly visit the forum, so asking them to participate in voting is never going to happen. The present system of voting however does require members voting, which is ok in its own way, but it does need some sort of update to make it easier and possible for more members to win. I know it sounds like sour grapes and all that, it does seem however like it is the same few members winning and it may not seem to have any impact in terms of winning anything, but a lot of members might think “Why bother, I never win anyway” so they just won’t vote or even enter to see that they’re photo/s , having two photos also makes it harder for them to either don’t get a vote or they see the same members win, even though it’s a bit of fun and there is nothing given for winning, it doesn’t encourage them to submit or even vote. Has you know I don’t visit that much nowadays myself so I suppose I may miss the opportunity to vote.
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I don't want to hijack Peter's thread, but I'm not sure that I'm understanding your point? What 'update' do you think is required? I'm more than happy to consider suggestions.

The requirement to log in to vote is to ensure that we don't get deluged with idiotic votes from random passing strangers. However any forum member can enter and any member can vote and it therefore follows that anyone can win, but so many apparently are too lazy to vote, let alone enter.
I find it extremely frustrating that, for instance, this time we were up to 17 views of the voting thread before there was one vote cast! Can anyone explain to me why the first 15 ( the other 2 were me checking, so that doesn't count) didn't simply push a button whilst they were there??

There is no necessity to enter two photo's and most people don't, I never have myself. When we originally discussed the question of allowing multiple entries, I was of the opinion that, as you have just said, it dilutes your chances of winning. However if you feel that is the case, why did you enter two pictures yourself this time? - I'm not saying you shouldn't have done, they were both perfectly acceptable to the theme, it's just that you did exactly what you are commenting on.

As for opportunity, the entry thread is open for 3 months and the voting for 2 weeks and I normally post at least one reminder shortly before the closing dates. If anyone goes more than 2 weeks without looking into the forum then that is up to them, not much we can do about it. It is interesting to see that the June voting thread had 469 views but only 17 votes cast...why? Similarly, the September entry thread has so far had 101 views and one entry! Ok, obviously I know folks have to read it to know what this quarters theme is, but I'll bet we don't get more than the usual 10 or a dozen entries by 3 months time!


Phil,

My point is, most members don’t come every day, week or month, sometimes I bet they don’t visit for years or they just register and only post a thread or reply when they feel that they’re not going to be lambasted for saying something.

I only posted 2 photos because I thought they were good enough, generally if I do have a photo it’s only 1 because I don’t keep records of my builds or anything else really, I am not one that just takes a photo then post it just for the sake of it. Most of the time the theme doesn’t concern what I have, so I don’t post.

Also, the chances of winning don’t increase because you can only vote for one, which is right, so I don’t see the point of it. But again because I have mentioned something again, it’s likely that I will get reprimanded again for saying something that other members don’t. Still it happens and I don’t really care if it upsets Administrators or not. We are supposed to be living in a society that has free speech and not in a totally rule that doesn’t accept questions about what they think.

Still has I don’t spend every waking minute on the forum, well not has I used to because of my health issues with my heart and now my eyes, a lot of threads and posts are missed by me, in fact I don’t go on the internet much now either because it’s makes me far too tired to do anything else. So any reminder is missed by me to. I feel that other members don’t come on the forum that much either, or if they do they don’t bother with the quarterly photo competition.

Anyway the competition is a success really, but it’s not the be all and end all for the forum. Hopefully it will get more people interested in sharing their photos or even voting, but some people will never change their ways and they will just carry on doing their own thing.

I have been writing this now for over 90 minutes and I feel totally washed out. Keep up the good work Phil, because it’s a thankless job, I personally have always supported the Administration on the forum and I always will, but if I feel certain things could happen for the better I will continue to say something about it.

Thanks for listening Phil, at least you have took the time to respond.

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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by drewzero1 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:49 am

Not to get too into the weeds on this one but I'll quick share my 2¢: to me, the photo contest is mostly about the challenge of getting out and doing something with my railway, and not so much about any kind of votes or winning. If the prompt inspires me to have fun with my railway, or to enjoy some aspect of it in a new way, I've already won. (And that's what I'll keep telling myself as long as I'm being the Ralph Nader to your Al Gore!) :mrgreen:

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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by FWLR » Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:53 am

drewzero1 wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:49 am Not to get too into the weeds on this one but I'll quick share my 2¢: to me, the photo contest is mostly about the challenge of getting out and doing something with my railway, and not so much about any kind of votes or winning. If the prompt inspires me to have fun with my railway, or to enjoy some aspect of it in a new way, I've already won. (And that's what I'll keep telling myself as long as I'm being the Ralph Nader to your Al Gore!) :mrgreen:
I’m sorry if members feel that I am having ago at the quarterly photo competition, I’m not. I just think it needs some kind of a refresher on it to make it easier for members to participate in it. I’m not bothered about winning it also Rik, like you i am just grateful for waking up every morning and doing something no matter how much or little that maybe 🤔 having a theme is great, but let’s not stick to it, members I think might just want to participate with a photo of what they are doing or something they have done that they are proud of or even not so proud of, I know that I have lots of things I wish I hadn’t done and wanted or should I say thrown in the black bin outside :lol: :lol:
Like I have said, I think that our admin do a wonderful thankless job to keep what is in my and members minds, is the best forum on the internet for friendly helpful people who are willing to share their experiences and ideas with no negative thoughts or feelings. :thumbright:

That’s why even though I am not in the best of health now and I don’t spend as much time as I used to on the forum, I do visit when I can and sometimes when I’m told not to go on the forum because I spend too much time on it and get so tired I get more anxious 😟 I do feel better in a lot of ways and I am hoping that in the next couple of months or so I will get a lot of healthier and I can get back to a more fruitful existence… who knows :dontknow:

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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by ge_rik » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:14 am

Sorry about the thread drift, Peter.

Hi Rod. I'll start off a new thread where this discussion can continue, if anyone wants to contribute. However, the topic has been discussed previously at great length, so I'm not sure there is a great deal more to say.

I'm away at the moment on a very damp campsite in North Wales with a patchy phone signal. I'll try and transfer the above posts to the new thread if I can.

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Post by ge_rik » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:27 am

In a separate thread, there has been a discussion about trying to find ways of increasing participation in the quarterly photo gallery threads ( see above).

As far as I can see, there haven't been any specific suggestions put forward, so if there are any suggestions, then please feel free to chip in.

As a reminder, members can contribute one or two photos to the gallery each quarter following a theme suggested by the winner of the previous gallery.

At the end of the quarter, members then have two weeks to cast a single vote for the picture they like the most.

Apart from a specification on the maximum size of the photos submitted - that's it.

Philipy, one of the administrators, runs the gallery and regularly reminds people to contribute photos and to vote, but participation, particularly in the voting, is generally quite low - eg only 17 votes were cast in the last gallery.

Any specific suggestions for increasing participation?

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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by ge_rik » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:35 am

BTW
I'm going to keep the discussion here quite focused only to suggestions for increasing participation and weighing them up. So, please bear that on mind when posting.

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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by Petersfield » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:10 pm

Firstly, I wonder what the reason(s) for people not entering and/or voting are. (BTW, as a relative newcomer, IMHO, I don't think either is particularly difficult. OK, sometimes I may not have a suitable photo to enter but I've always voted since I joined the forum). If we know the reason(s) then surely working out a solution is easier and we're not working in the dark?

How about:

a) changing the title of this thread to something like 'Gallery - members' feedback sought', 'Gallery - anything stopping you voting?' or 'Gallery - your Forum needs You'? I just saw 'Gallery' and had a look anyway but if I'd been short of time/energy/enthusiasm I might well have missed it.

b) we have a poll creation option when starting a thread, is it worth running a survey on reasons why people don't enter/vote? Ideally with an 'other - please state' choice.

If there's something putting people off, I'd second the request to speak out.

Subject to subsequent posts/further thought, the only specific measure I'd suggest would be a winner's certificate, nothing fancy as we're probably only in it for the artistic challenge, pleasure in taking part or the 'crack' - maybe a downloadable A4 sheet with some nice artwork, date and winner's name and railway details? I'm offline shortly for a few days but from next week onwards, if the mods think this is something worthwhile, I'm happy to try and devise something as a blank for Philip to use in the future, just PM/email me. I don't know if it would make anyone change their mind about entering but recognition is always good to receive and maybe it's something people would like to hang on their workshop/depot wall?

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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by GAP » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:25 pm

Is it possible to perhaps send an email to the 1973 members telling that the gallery is happening.
I know in this age of spam and scams that a fair few would be trashed straight away, but some people may look at it and go to the forum.
Perhaps include photos of the last few winners to pique their curiosity.
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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by philipy » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:34 am

GAP wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:25 pm Is it possible to perhaps send an email to the 1973 members telling that the gallery is happening.
I know in this age of spam and scams that a fair few would be trashed straight away, but some people may look at it and go to the forum.
Perhaps include photos of the last few winners to pique their curiosity.
Just a thought
A fair idea Graeme, thanks. The thing is though, people do know it happens, they just don't participate. Taking the March 2025 gallery as an example, there were 24 THOUSAND views of the entry page, but only 12 actual entries and then there were almost 11 THOUSAND views of the voting page but only 17 votes.
I can understand folks not entering if they feel they haven't got anything appropriate, but it completely escapes me as to why only 17 out of 11,000 bothered to push a vote button after having loaded the page?
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Petersfield wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:10 pm Firstly, I wonder what the reason(s) for people not entering and/or voting are. (BTW, as a relative newcomer, IMHO, I don't think either is particularly difficult. OK, sometimes I may not have a suitable photo to enter but I've always voted since I joined the forum). If we know the reason(s) then surely working out a solution is easier and we're not working in the dark?

How about:

a) changing the title of this thread to something like 'Gallery - members' feedback sought', 'Gallery - anything stopping you voting?' or 'Gallery - your Forum needs You'? I just saw 'Gallery' and had a look anyway but if I'd been short of time/energy/enthusiasm I might well have missed it.

b) we have a poll creation option when starting a thread, is it worth running a survey on reasons why people don't enter/vote? Ideally with an 'other - please state' choice.

If there's something putting people off, I'd second the request to speak out.

Subject to subsequent posts/further thought, the only specific measure I'd suggest would be a winner's certificate, nothing fancy as we're probably only in it for the artistic challenge, pleasure in taking part or the 'crack' - maybe a downloadable A4 sheet with some nice artwork, date and winner's name and railway details? I'm offline shortly for a few days but from next week onwards, if the mods think this is something worthwhile, I'm happy to try and devise something as a blank for Philip to use in the future, just PM/email me. I don't know if it would make anyone change their mind about entering but recognition is always good to receive and maybe it's something people would like to hang on their workshop/depot wall?
Thanks for the ideas.

I've changed the title of the thread and I'll try putting a sticky post at its head to explain its purpose.

Nice idea about the certificate. A possibility, certainly.

As Philip says though. We get the passing traffic, but how can we get them to become more involved?

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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by ge_rik » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:27 am

The first few posts in this thread have been transferred from another thread. The nub of the discussion is - how can we increase participation and involvement in the forum?

For example, why is it that only 17 votes were cast in the Photo Gallery ' competition ' despite the post having 11000 views?

Please try to keep answers focused on the topic and be kind.

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Post by philipy » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:56 am

Petersfield wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:10 pm
Subject to subsequent posts/further thought, the only specific measure I'd suggest would be a winner's certificate, nothing fancy as we're probably only in it for the artistic challenge, pleasure in taking part or the 'crack' - maybe a downloadable A4 sheet with some nice artwork, date and winner's name and railway details?
Sorry, I intended to reply to this point yesterday, but forgot.

The original "Competition" from way back when, did award a "Winner of the XXX Competition" notation below the members ID/Avatar which showed up each time he posted on anything. The original competition died for no apparent reason and then when we resurrected it as "The Gallery" in its current form, I did ask Tom at the time to do the same thing but he never did - one of a number of things he kept to himself.

I don't know how easy it is to do the same thing now since we upgraded the software and changed Host etc, perhaps Rik can answer that one?
My only concern would be that a few members might end up with a long string of "awards" which might be self defeating by actually emphasising Rod's point about the same people always winning.
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Post by Old Man Aaron » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:50 am

I wonder, of the thousands of views that most threads on this site receive - how many are actual humans, and how many are bots from the wider internet..

Having said that, I for one rarely have anything to contribute to a gallery topic. And owing to focussing on other things in life at the moment, I rarely do any modelling at this point. I'm not dropping the forum or the hobby, of course.
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Post by drewzero1 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:28 pm

philipy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:56 am
Petersfield wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:10 pm
Subject to subsequent posts/further thought, the only specific measure I'd suggest would be a winner's certificate, nothing fancy as we're probably only in it for the artistic challenge, pleasure in taking part or the 'crack' - maybe a downloadable A4 sheet with some nice artwork, date and winner's name and railway details?
Sorry, I intended to reply to this point yesterday, but forgot.

The original "Competition" from way back when, did award a "Winner of the XXX Competition" notation below the members ID/Avatar which showed up each time he posted on anything. The original competition died for no apparent reason and then when we resurrected it as "The Gallery" in its current form, I did ask Tom at the time to do the same thing but he never did - one of a number of things he kept to himself.

I don't know how easy it is to do the same thing now since we upgraded the software and changed Host etc, perhaps Rik can answer that one?
My only concern would be that a few members might end up with a long string of "awards" which might be self defeating by actually emphasising Rod's point about the same people always winning.
I'll look into it Philip. As another possibility, a car forum that I was on had a "ride of the month" contest and the winner's photo was shown as a little banner graphic on the front page of the forum. I'll have to see what we could do with our forum software though :scratch:

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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by philipy » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:56 pm

drewzero1 wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:28 pm As another possibility, a car forum that I was on had a "ride of the month" contest and the winner's photo was shown as a little banner graphic on the front page of the forum. I'll have to see what we could do with our forum software though
I like that idea Drew, if it's feasible. A small Masthead banner would keep the Gallery concept very visible whether logged in or not, "reward" the current winner, and keep changing to grab the attention.
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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by Peter Butler » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:01 pm

I'm thinking laterally, again.... I never win the National Lottery, so I don't buy a ticket!!!!!!!
You have to be in it to win it.
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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by philipy » Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:40 pm

Peter Butler wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:01 pm I'm thinking laterally, again.... I never win the National Lottery, so I don't buy a ticket!!!!!!!
You have to be in it to win it.
Thats strange Peter, do you think that could be the reason why not only do I never win the National Lottery, but also never win Peoples Postcode Lottery, Guide Dogs lottery, RSPCA lottery, Dogs Trust lottery, Cats Protection lottery, Omaze, etc? I've often wondered why I'm not a millionaire! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Gallery / Forum participation

Post by ge_rik » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:40 pm

philipy wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:56 pm
drewzero1 wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:28 pm As another possibility, a car forum that I was on had a "ride of the month" contest and the winner's photo was shown as a little banner graphic on the front page of the forum. I'll have to see what we could do with our forum software though
I like that idea Drew, if it's feasible. A small Masthead banner would keep the Gallery concept very visible whether logged in or not, "reward" the current winner, and keep changing to grab the attention.
Agreed! Great idea.
I'll let you (Drew) do the initial digging to see whether it's feasible. Give me a shout if you need any help.

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