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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Andrew » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:22 pm

Hi JMORG!

Those are looking very impressive - I think the 2 plank is the little one that appears in the Wheeler book? You've captured the shape better than I managed to I think... I love the Gloucester wagon too - the strapping's looking great, and the distinctive bufferbeam shape. One of those is fairly high on my list...

I've also been busy on the wagon front, out-shopping these two today - the Ffestiniog brine tank and the second small WHR open:

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I've been out tidying up the garden a little - these two might just get a test run tomorrow...

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Post by BertieB » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:56 pm

This all looks terrific. The weathering (and the rivets) are completely convincing. Seduced by all of it, I went and bought a load of Nail Art stuff, so I could plaster rivet heads over everything. But it’s a nightmare! I can’t imagine how you all manage to organise and glue the damn things into neat, equally spaced rows. I can’t even pick ‘em up...

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Post by Andrew » Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:30 pm

BertieB wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:56 pm
This all looks terrific. The weathering (and the rivets) are completely convincing. Seduced by all of it, I went and bought a load of Nail Art stuff, so I could plaster rivet heads over everything. But it’s a nightmare! I can’t imagine how you all manage to organise and glue the damn things into neat, equally spaced rows. I can’t even pick ‘em up...
Glad you like 'em, thanks!

For the wagon strapping etc I make little jigs to get the gems in the right place - usually just holes drilled in offcuts of thin ply. I use a pen to mark the part (a fine permanent marker if I can find one), then apply plastic cement, then add the gem with the tip of a knife blade. The tank was more of a challenge (!) but I discovered that the gems can be placed in more-or-less the right places then pushed into a straight line with the edge of a ruler while the glue sets. If you can't use then in your modelling you'll just have to stick 'em to your nails as intended...

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by FWLR » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:23 am

Picking up those gems can be frustrating. I use very fine needles, you know the ones that are used by our better halves...When they get a bit blunt, just rub the tip along some fine emery paper. Job done. :thumbright:
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Post by Lonsdaler » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:46 pm

BertieB wrote:
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I can’t imagine how you all manage to organise and glue the damn things into neat, equally spaced rows. I can’t even pick ‘em up...
And another 'handling' method. I shape a small piece of blu tack into a fine point, and pick up the little critters with that. A light dab of plastic weld or similar and position - job's a good 'un. :thumbup:
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by River Lin » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:32 pm

Hi all.
I am just finishing a PDF Baldwin tractor (gluing on the fuel tank and splashers today and adding glazing to the front windows) and thought I would add my rivitting method to this discussion.
First I draw a straight line for the rivit heads (Cambrian models), then draw a cross line every 5 mm along this line. After adding a small puddle of superglue into a plastic lid i dip the end of a cocktail stick into the glue and tap a little onto 2 or 3 of the cross lines. While the end of the cocktail stick is still damp with glue it will pick up a rivet and if i then touch it into place on the cross it will let go of the stick and adhere to the cross. If I work quickly I can do another 1 or 2 rivets before having to glue more crosses. I use a dry cocktail stick to move the rivets quickly if necessary.
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There are about 300 rivets on my model and it took a few session to add them all. Yours look straighter than some of mine Andrew.
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Post by LNR » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:13 am

Makes up to a great looking model David, I admire the style of these Baldwins.
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Post by River Lin » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:20 am

That looks about 420 rivets on that tank wagon Andrew. :-)
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Post by Peter Butler » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:49 am

River Lin wrote:
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That looks about 420 rivets on that tank wagon Andrew. :-)
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Post by FWLR » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:58 am

Oh no..... :lol: :lol:
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Post by Andrew » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:26 pm

River Lin wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:20 am
That looks about 420 rivets on that tank wagon Andrew. :-)
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Sounds about right to me!

Thanks for the tips on your technique - that Baldwin's a fine-looking loco! I've got an Andel one which I'm hoping to return to action soon...

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by JMORG » Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:04 am

River Lin wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:32 pm
Hi all.
I am just finishing a PDF Baldwin tractor (gluing on the fuel tank and splashers today and adding glazing to the front windows) and thought I would add my rivitting method to this discussion.
First I draw a straight line for the rivit heads (Cambrian models), then draw a cross line every 5 mm along this line. After adding a small puddle of superglue into a plastic lid i dip the end of a cocktail stick into the glue and tap a little onto 2 or 3 of the cross lines. While the end of the cocktail stick is still damp with glue it will pick up a rivet and if i then touch it into place on the cross it will let go of the stick and adhere to the cross. If I work quickly I can do another 1 or 2 rivets before having to glue more crosses. I use a dry cocktail stick to move the rivets quickly if necessary.
IMG_20200217_210842.jpg
There are about 300 rivets on my model and it took a few session to add them all. Yours look straighter than some of mine Andrew.
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Slightly related; does anyone have an idea of what colours the Simplex and Baldwin tractors were painted?
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by River Lin » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:53 pm

Hi. JMORG.
While researching colours i found these-
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See main image and the one bottom right. Both FR.
Also -
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This is a still from a film from the early preservation days at Bleanau F. Looking at the film clip it appears to be pale blue.
I ended up painting mine maroon :?
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by River Lin » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:59 pm

Hi all.
Not wanting to hijack this thread of Andrew's, if you look at the last post in my ' Slaters 2 ton slate wagon' thread there is a short Utube clip of my Baldwin running this morning.
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Andrew » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:07 pm

Hello!

According to the 7mm Assoc's book of FfR drawings, "tractors, introduced during the Stephens period, were plain green with black running gear. The Baldwin may have sported red painted rods and fly cranks".

I guess that's either the kind of mid, kind of municipal-looking, green seen in the pictures, or maybe whatever shade of green they came in from the WD?

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