Photo Gallery Format Discussion

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by -steves- » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:42 am

FWLR wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:36 am Doesn't the forum have limited photo storage and therefore it is reducing the amount left for members to put up on other threads.
Hi Rod

Not sure if you have read the recent announcement, but our hosting company have dramatically increased the number of files we can store. We have now upped the limit on how many pictures can be on one post because of this. Hope that helps.
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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by FWLR » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 am

Hi Steve.

Thank you, I hadn't seen the announcement, that is good news. I think a lot of members will be happy to now that. Does it mean we can put more photos on our threads without going to a third party.

I will look at the announcement and find out.... :thumbright:

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by FWLR » Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:50 am

Just seen it....... :wav: that's brilliant. Well done Steve, you're a STAR...... :salute:

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by Jimmyb » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:46 am

philipy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:09 am Interesting idea. How does anyone feel if we tried it as an experiment by allowing 2 entries per member for the next gallery ( starting beginning of July for two months)?
My own thought is that I wonder if it might give a 'good' and/or prolific photographer, an advantage?
I think trying out your idea (i.e. a maximum of 3 entries per member) for the next competition is a good way forward. Can I also suggest that all three entries should be on the same post i.e. you can not have 3 entries on 3 separate (or even 2) posts.

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by philipy » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:59 am

Jimmyb wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:46 am
philipy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:09 am Interesting idea. How does anyone feel if we tried it as an experiment by allowing 2 entries per member for the next gallery ( starting beginning of July for two months)?
My own thought is that I wonder if it might give a 'good' and/or prolific photographer, an advantage?
I think trying out your idea (i.e. a maximum of 3 entries per member) for the next competition is a good way forward. Can I also suggest that all three entries should be on the same post i.e. you can not have 3 entries on 3 separate (or even 2) posts.
Yes, thats a good point about them being on one post, Jimmy, thanks.

However, from a purely personal/administrative pov, I would still prefer to limit it to two rather than three pictures, to begin with at least. It does already take some considerable time to go through the entry posts and separate them from the various subsequent comment posts, download each picture and collate it with its title, then upload them all again onto the voting thread and then construct the poll. Going from one to two pictures each will more or less double that, and going to three will triple it!
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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by Peter Butler » Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:33 pm

I have to admit I'm struggling to see any advantage in this idea, there are two possible outcomes.... those who enter two (or three) pictures might have some advantage over those who enter only one, or the possibility of splitting one person's vote amongst their own entries could deny them the win they might otherwise deserve.
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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by Jimmyb » Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:16 pm

Peter Butler wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:33 pm I have to admit I'm struggling to see any advantage in this idea, there are two possible outcomes.... those who enter two (or three) pictures might have some advantage over those who enter only one, or the possibility of splitting one person's vote amongst their own entries could deny them the win they might otherwise deserve.
I would see this as a vote per photo, one person one vote, and the photo with the most votes wins, surely that is how it currently works
philipy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:59 am
Jimmyb wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:46 am
philipy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:09 am Interesting idea. How does anyone feel if we tried it as an experiment by allowing 2 entries per member for the next gallery ( starting beginning of July for two months)?
My own thought is that I wonder if it might give a 'good' and/or prolific photographer, an advantage?
I think trying out your idea (i.e. a maximum of 3 entries per member) for the next competition is a good way forward. Can I also suggest that all three entries should be on the same post i.e. you can not have 3 entries on 3 separate (or even 2) posts.
Yes, thats a good point about them being on one post, Jimmy, thanks.

However, from a purely personal/administrative pov, I would still prefer to limit it to two rather than three pictures, to begin with at least. It does already take some considerable time to go through the entry posts and separate them from the various subsequent comment posts, download each picture and collate it with its title, then upload them all again onto the voting thread and then construct the poll. Going from one to two pictures each will more or less double that, and going to three will triple it!
My error, I (mis)read it as two additional pictures, not two pictures :)

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by philipy » Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 pm

Jimmyb wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:16 pm

I would see this as a vote per photo, one person one vote, and the photo with the most votes wins, surely that is how it currently works
Yes it is, but I think Peter's point is that a person with two very similar entries that got, say, 10 votes each, would be beaten by somebody else who got 11 votes for one entry, when, if the original entrant had only entered one, he might have got 20 votes for that one.
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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by Jimmyb » Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:32 pm

philipy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 pm
Jimmyb wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:16 pm

I would see this as a vote per photo, one person one vote, and the photo with the most votes wins, surely that is how it currently works
Yes it is, but I think Peter's point is that a person with two very similar entries that got, say, 10 votes each, would be beaten by somebody else who got 11 votes for one entry, when, if the original entrant had only entered one, he might have got 20 votes for that one.
Ah, I see that now, but that would be up to the individual to manage their entries, and could be the advantage of a single entry, at the individuals choice.

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by BorisSpencer » Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:44 pm

If we really believe there will be people submitting entries, and subsequently voting tactically, in order to boost their chances of winning a quarterly competition for which there is no reward or prize then I wish them all the best.

This thread seems to overestimated its own importance by a factor of "considerably".

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by ge_rik » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:13 pm

BorisSpencer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:44 pm If we really believe there will be people submitting entries, and subsequently voting tactically, in order to boost their chances of winning a quarterly competition for which there is no reward or prize then I wish them all the best.

This thread seems to overestimated its own importance by a factor of "considerably".
Yes, but it beats by a mile discussing far less important things like Covid, Brexit, Global warming, the Middle East, gun control, world peace, what G Scale actually means, the best way to ballast track, are 3D printers killing off scratch building etc.

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by Jimmyb » Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:53 pm

ge_rik wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:13 pm
BorisSpencer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:44 pm If we really believe there will be people submitting entries, and subsequently voting tactically, in order to boost their chances of winning a quarterly competition for which there is no reward or prize then I wish them all the best.

This thread seems to overestimated its own importance by a factor of "considerably".
Yes, but it beats by a mile discussing far less important things like Covid, Brexit, Global warming, the Middle East, gun control, world peace, what G Scale actually means, the best way to ballast track, are 3D printers killing off scratch building etc.

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Agreed, but, does it beat discussing which are the best brews to drink! (for brew this could mean ale/porter/stout/cider, or tea ;))

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by philipy » Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:35 pm

ge_rik wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:13 pm

Agreed, but, does it beat discussing which are the best brews to drink! (for brew this could mean ale/porter/stout/cider, or tea ;))
YEP, I think it does. The only thing in that list that I drink is coffee....oops, sorry not on the list so I can't discuss it!

However, none of the last few posts on this thread get us anywhere along improving the Gallery, which is what it is supposed to be about. :D
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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by FWLR » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:53 am

Please just keep it the same. All this going on about 2 or 3 photos is getting boring. I have said more photos for Phillip to handle and the members to look at just makes the Gallery more like a 'competition' than just something that should be fun.
BorisSpencer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:44 pm
This thread seems to overestimated its own importance by a factor of "considerably".
I also agree with BorisSpencer, it is getting to be considerably overestimating its importance. How much longer are you going to be discussing it. I thought Phillip said a couple more weeks after the poll closed. Is it going to be a couple of dozen now.... :scratch:

Your'e not right about Covid either Rik. It's the most important thing going on in the world and this country right now. How many thousands of people have died because of it. :(

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by philipy » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:13 am

FWLR wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:53 am How much longer are you going to be discussing it. I thought Phillip said a couple more weeks after the poll closed. Is it going to be a couple of dozen now.... :scratch:
No, PHILIP said, "So now is the chance for those 18 ( and everyone else, of course) to say what changes they propose :D . Again, to be fair, we'll give it 2 weeks for suggestions, so have your ideas in by 31st July please."

Today is the 30th, the discussion closes tomorrow. If you find it boring simply don't read it.
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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by FWLR » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:19 am

No need to be like that Phillip. I am not the only one who thinks it's getting that way. Sorry about the confusion on the end time. I thought it was 2 weeks..............

Like I have said, you are doing an excellent job and with the rest of the work you do on the forum, you don't need more work. I just want to carry on like it was and seeing has there was just one vote difference, personally I feel it should stay as is...........Or am I wrong again there..................

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by Lonsdaler » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm

Well,
You don't have internet access for a few days, and look what happens? I'm in favour of trialling 2 entries per member, but maintaining the one member one vote principle. I don't really understand the point about someone being denied a win by the vote being split - if people vote for the photo they like best, it doesn't matter whether an entrant has submitted one or two photo's - the best photo will still win, surely?
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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by Peter Butler » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:24 pm

philipy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:26 pm
Jimmyb wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:16 pm

I would see this as a vote per photo, one person one vote, and the photo with the most votes wins, surely that is how it currently works
Yes it is, but I think Peter's point is that a person with two very similar entries that got, say, 10 votes each, would be beaten by somebody else who got 11 votes for one entry, when, if the original entrant had only entered one, he might have got 20 votes for that one.
Philip has understood and explained my comments better than I did but, thankfully, the final decision is not mine to make. After all this discussion the proof of its success lies in the number of entrants. I hope we can continue to join in with the idea of it being a just-for-fun activity, open to all and with no expression of success, failure or embarrassment.
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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by Andrew » Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:47 pm

FWLR wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:19 am No need to be like that Phillip.
Rod, Philip isn't "being like" anything - you said you found the discussion boring, and he suggested that you might choose not to read it, just as you would any other topic that doesn't interest you.

And I think we know Rik well enough to know that he doesn't underestimate the importance of a global pandemic, or global warming, or gun control, or any of the other examples he used as a mildly satirical way of agreeing that yes, sometimes we do take our little Forum a bit too seriously.

This is a friendly sort of a place, so please, let's cut each other a little slack.

On the subject of the photo competition, the changes made so far sound good to me, so I reckon we could either trial those, or the two photo option, and see where we end up. The main thing is that we all enter and/or vote!

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Re: Photo Gallery Format Discussion

Post by ge_rik » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:00 pm

FWLR wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:53 am Your'e not right about Covid either Rik. It's the most important thing going on in the world and this country right now. How many thousands of people have died because of it. :(
I think you missed the point, Rod. Do you honestly think I was saying that this discussion really is more important than all those things I listed.....?

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