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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by tom_tom_go » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:13 pm

Double heading today although only one loco in steam as it was too cold to fire up the coal fired dragon as well!


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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by FWLR » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:33 am

Always great to see your Lady Anne in steam again Tom, doing a great job steaming along quite nicely.

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Post by tom_tom_go » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:01 am

I will try and steam both next time, should be challenging!

Oh for a continuous run...

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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by Andrew » Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:49 pm

I can think of three time when I've tried double-heading single-handed, and all ended in disaster! With slomo fitted engines, full radio control and a well-fettled line I reckon you've got a chance though Tom!

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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by IanC » Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:30 pm

I haven't double headed single handedly, but have double headed my Lady Anne with another Lady Anne seen at 9:26 into the following video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhWGIasy_dQ

Is double heading with Deltang equipment easier? With my current R/C sets I don't have enough hands to double head on my own!
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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by Just Julie » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:16 pm

Lovely Tom :thumbright:

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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by FWLR » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:10 am

Great video Tom. You do have a skill with how you use your locos at the correct speed. :thumbright: :thumbright:

Unlike those at my local area, they seem to always want to run at 200mph..........Thats probably why they have so many derailments and crashes...... :roll:

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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by IrishPeter » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:03 pm

My first line was steeply graded and had one or two deceptively tight bends in it which cured me of any 'boy racer tendencies' early on. There are one or two paint patches on the side tank of my 'Millie' which are the stigmata from those occasions when I was a bit free and easy with the regulator.

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Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Post by Peter Butler » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:25 pm

FWLR wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:10 am Great video Tom. You do have a skill with how you use your locos at the correct speed.

Unlike those at my local area, they seem to always want to run at 200mph..........
Even with my very limited experience with live steam I could manage to get a reasonably realistic running speed, both manual and RC. It has always baffled me why those who strive for authenticity, and insist on using live steam, get satisfaction from running at warp speed? Whenever I view a video of such reckless behaviour I immediately loose interest and turn off.
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Post by IrishPeter » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:32 am

I spend quite a bit of time when I first get a locomotive figuring out how to get it to run slowly. The 'Millie' turned out to be an absolute treasure in this regard as she will plod steadily onwards with the burner well down, and the regulator cracked open. She did extremely well on my old line with its short stretches of 4%, and occasional 4 foot radius bends. My elderly 'Anna' is similarly placid. The two Accucraft Rubies are a different matter, as they seem much more skittish. Sometimes they will plod along quite demurely, other times you cannot get the burner down far enough for a really steady run, etc..

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Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by FWLR » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:08 am

Peter Butler wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:25 pm
FWLR wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:10 am Great video Tom. You do have a skill with how you use your locos at the correct speed.

Unlike those at my local area, they seem to always want to run at 200mph..........
Even with my very limited experience with live steam I could manage to get a reasonably realistic running speed, both manual and RC. It has always baffled me why those who strive for authenticity, and insist on using live steam, get satisfaction from running at warp speed? Whenever I view a video of suck reckless behaviour I immediately loose interest and turn off.
Has do I Peter.

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Post by tom_tom_go » Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:57 pm

I mentioned back in August 2018 that I was fed up with the railway (garden size has been a big factor plus the height is too low), however, it got a reprieve as Andrew's Russell visited for some work and the fitting of a SSP Slomo.

The lure of larger trains has occupied me for some time so finally I have decided to at least consider the idea but to push me on I knew the railway would need to be dismantled permanently. My father passed away recently very quickly (only 69, makes you wonder) so I need something to occupy me which at the moment is clearing the railway, restoring the garden to something that is appealing to future house buyers and moving on with something new.

The following dribble is more for my reference and reflections although they may be of interest, they don't require opinions or comment.

Using treated wood gravel boards for a raised railway worked for me, no evidence of wood rot (the darker faded wood is reclaimed from another railway so this stuff is even older than the wood I purchased:

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You don't need to use roofing flet though as you have found that weed control fabric is cheaper and easier to work with.

If you ever do anything like this again and plan to dismantle it use stainless steel screws always as it's been a pain in the bottom trying to recover wood to be reused with rusted screws!

Using screws (at least you used stainless steel screws for this) to create a level track bed although works brilliantly it's very time consuming to deploy so given what you have learned make sure you level the crap out of any future base before you lay track. Although you don't like screws being shown you know now you can counter sunk screws into sleepers and hide them with ballast.

SBR does work, however, you need a thin layer of ballast although with the pea shingle it gave a gloss finish. Crushed dust, coal, etc works perfectly though so more of that:

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Make the railway higher next time, raised flower beds would be ideal (next house purchase garden or land suitability is critical!)

If you can't build an end-to-end line with a continious run sneaked in somewhere for days when you just want to watch trains don't bother building a railway (you can then host steam ups again with a proper line).

Servos outside worked for you for signals and points as they are mounted under the railway and protected from the elements, however, run a bus power line alone the railway next time as batteries are a pain plus you then have the means to power lights for evening running which you want but never bothered to do.

Use metal angle when mounting servos though as plastic angle is not stable with outdoor temperature changes, repositioning servos isn't fun.

Cliff Barker fish plates make laying track easier so use them again, no dog legging!

Consider steam up area with better access for coal firing with the abililty to drop the fire if possible.

If you use loose ballast again the method for boxing in the railway needs improving.

Buy lineside buildings, etc as you know you can't be bothered to build them and using lollipop sticks doesn't last (although they weather nicely if you want stuff to look disused):

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Milo sniffing about in 2011:

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Same place while dismantling the railway in 2019!

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Create more viewing spots like this, sunset and steam looks great:

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As you have built a railway now you don't need to be in a rush to build the next one and get trains running, take your time - it's far more relaxing...

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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by ge_rik » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:03 pm

Useful stuff, Tom.

I don't keep servos outside, but I know Greg does. He just covers them will a simple flap of felt or plasticard and they seem to carry on for years with little or no maintenance (and he uses bog standard rather than weatherproof versions). I originally assumed it was because the climate around Sydney is more conducive but then discovered they get more rain per year than London.

Anyhow, I'm sure Greg will attest to that when morning arrives on Oz.

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Post by tom_tom_go » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:07 pm

I used the Tower Pro SG90 mini servos screwed under the base of the track as below (although mentioned use metal angle as plastic angle tends to move about due to temperature changes):

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Cheap enough to replace as well should they go wrong.

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Post by Peter Butler » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:15 pm

Good report and excellent information to help others make informed decisions on how to go forward.
The gravel boards have lasted well and prove they work under such circumstances. Stainless steel screws are a great idea, even though more expensive and rust resistant, but they can be painted. The use of either felt or weed membrane is certainly an advantage if ballast is used as small grains will fall through the boards as they shrink in hot weather, this also shows unsightly straight lines between the boards.... how do I know this???? Also, if SBR is used to fix ballast it works better on a textured surface.
A higher working level is a must, especially for us 'seniors'. Being the same age as your father (sorry to hear about your loss there) I know all about bending etc...
There are many suppliers of buildings available and most can be made to personalise your line. You have pointed out the pitfalls of lollipop sticks which are bound to fail no matter what precautions are taken to preserve them.
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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by FWLR » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:44 am

My condolences for your loss Tom, sad news indeed. :(

I am 67 this year, so I hope to survive a bit longer to use your advice to build a better line. Although Anne does want to be able to get to her Fairy Gardens at the back fence, so lifting it higher I feel will not be an option. But she has given permission to extend, so that's a bonus... :lol:

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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by Andrew » Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:11 am

Hi Tom,

I'm sad to hear of the demise of the old RWLR, and will miss your regular reports from your inspiring and characterful little line, but I'm looking forward to its next incarnation already, whenever that may be.

I'm sorry to hear about your Dad too - that sort of thing really does make you reconsider priorities, and that can be a silver lining on even the darkest cloud. My Dad died years ago, when I was still a child, and for me my hobby is a connection with him - it was him that got me into this mess!

With very best wishes,

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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by IanC » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:22 pm

Sorry to hear of your Dad's passing Tom. Good luck with your future projects.
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Re: RWLR - Robin Wood Light Railway

Post by Soar Valley Light » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:39 am

Hello Tom,

Like others, I'm very sorry to see your line go. It (and you) have been agreat source of inspiration at times when I was standing in the middle of a bomb site that showed no prospect of ever being a garden again - let alone one that contained a railway! The things that hold our interest have a tendancy to change over time, external factors certainly influence that and can lead to major changes in direction. Whatever the reason, if a house move is being contemplated, then there is clearly no option for the line but to 'close and demolish'.

I hope you find a great new home to move to and that it inspires you to build again. Your notes to yourself in the post above are really useful pointers. It's a great idea to leave 'self prompts' like this, it saves re-learning old lessons - don't ask how I know this! Remember them when the time comes and hopefully any new line will be even better than the Robin Wood Light. In the meantime, please keep contributing to the discussions on here, your practical and competent comments are always a pleasure to read.

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Post by gregh » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:24 am

ge_rik wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:03 pm I don't keep servos outside, but I know Greg does. He just covers them will a simple flap of felt or plasticard and they seem to carry on for years with little or no maintenance (and he uses bog standard rather than weatherproof versions). I originally assumed it was because the climate around Sydney is more conducive but then discovered they get more rain per year than London.
Anyhow, I'm sure Greg will attest to that when morning arrives on Oz.
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My outdoor servos (total 6) are all inside small styrene (plasticard) 'huts'. Three are larger servos operating turnouts, and three are the mini blue ones as in the pic you posted on 3/4 ,operating semaphore signals.
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I have had 2 failures of these mini ones stripping gears and locking up. Not sure why.

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