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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by ge_rik » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:13 am

When I saw the first photo I expected to see a snowplough on the other end. Thinking about it, maybe a plough would be useful in pushing aside some of the debris..... :)

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Post by philipy » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:27 am

ge_rik wrote:
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When I saw the first photo I expected to see a snowplough on the other end. Thinking about it, maybe a plough would be useful in pushing aside some of the debris..... :)

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I nearly added a thought about putting a rotating brush on the end, when I made my comment about blades! :D

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Post by Andrew » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:52 am

philipy wrote:
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All it needs is a set of whirling razor blades on the sides and it can do the pruning as it goes!
I saw one in SMT about 30 years ago which had a sideways-mounted strimmer - terrifying! The Risk Assessment would make interesting reading...

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Post by Andrew » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:54 am

ge_rik wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:13 am
When I saw the first photo I expected to see a snowplough on the other end. Thinking about it, maybe a plough would be useful in pushing aside some of the debris..... :)

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I wondered that... Or a length of draught excluder to sweep the track? Or both?

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Andrew » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:11 pm

Hello!

As a relatively rare treat, I've bought myself a kit to build, Lineside Hut's version of the Ffestiniog timber bolsters, which arrived today.

First impressions are that there's an impressive amount of parts to put together, and that they seem well cut, but that for some reason the wagons are expected to ride around on tiny weeny wheels. I didn't like the look of that at all, but fortunately I'd already purchased some Binnie 3 hole disk wheels - that's what the real things have, and the Lineside Hut image of their version features curly spoked wheels, so I knew I wanted to replace them anyway.

There's not enough clearance between wheel and floor to allow a straight swap, so I've had to cut out two additional "sub chassis" to provide the space, which creates a chunkier looking frame. I think that looks OK, but compare for yourselves - my altered version's on the left, with the original on the right, both just held together by gravity for now

Bolster 1.jpg

Those aren't the disk wheels on the left hand wagon, I haven't dug those out of the cupboard yet, but they're the same size. For reference, the original bolsters are here, with a slate wagon between them as a match wagon: https://www.festipedia.org.uk/w/images/ ... er_Set.jpg

Time to break open the glue...

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by LNR » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:22 am

Definitely like your version on the left Andrew, it has the proportions of the very worn ones Peter Butler used to make his models. It also seems to better match the coupler height of your slate wagon on the extreme left of your pic.
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by JMORG » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:01 am

Andrew wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:11 pm
Hello!

As a relatively rare treat, I've bought myself a kit to build, Lineside Hut's version of the Ffestiniog timber bolsters, which arrived today.

First impressions are that there's an impressive amount of parts to put together, and that they seem well cut, but that for some reason the wagons are expected to ride around on tiny weeny wheels. I didn't like the look of that at all, but fortunately I'd already purchased some Binnie 3 hole disk wheels - that's what the real things have, and the Lineside Hut image of their version features curly spoked wheels, so I knew I wanted to replace them anyway.

There's not enough clearance between wheel and floor to allow a straight swap, so I've had to cut out two additional "sub chassis" to provide the space, which creates a chunkier looking frame. I think that looks OK, but compare for yourselves - my altered version's on the left, with the original on the right, both just held together by gravity for now


Bolster 1.jpg


Those aren't the disk wheels on the left hand wagon, I haven't dug those out of the cupboard yet, but they're the same size. For reference, the original bolsters are here, with a slate wagon between them as a match wagon: https://www.festipedia.org.uk/w/images/ ... er_Set.jpg

Time to break open the glue...

Andrew.
Speaking of Lineside Hut:
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Braked wagon. This is just some brass wire...
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This was a Lineside Hut flat wagon....
All the Lineside Hut wagons have thickened chassis (using plastic strip), plastic buffing heads and IP axle boxes. The old wheels do not fit using the axle boxes, hence the thickened chassis.
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Beddgelert is having to work a bit harder now...
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Binnie wagon, representing no. 79, the last FR original wooden slate waggon. It now lives at Gelert's farm museum.
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Swift Sixteen WD D wagon liveried as one of the Beddgelert coal traffic wagons. Needs dirtying...

We still have some Lineside Hut kits being modified in the same way. Carriages in the works include replica summer carriage 24 (the red historic carriage on the WHR), porthole bug box 12 and WHHR carriage 6 in red and white livery.
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Jimmyb » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:54 am

Andrew wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:11 pm
Hello!

As a relatively rare treat, I've bought myself a kit to build, Lineside Hut's version of the Ffestiniog timber bolsters, which arrived today.

First impressions are that there's an impressive amount of parts to put together, and that they seem well cut, but that for some reason the wagons are expected to ride around on tiny weeny wheels. I didn't like the look of that at all, but fortunately I'd already purchased some Binnie 3 hole disk wheels - that's what the real things have, and the Lineside Hut image of their version features curly spoked wheels, so I knew I wanted to replace them anyway.

There's not enough clearance between wheel and floor to allow a straight swap, so I've had to cut out two additional "sub chassis" to provide the space, which creates a chunkier looking frame. I think that looks OK, but compare for yourselves - my altered version's on the left, with the original on the right, both just held together by gravity for now


Bolster 1.jpg


Those aren't the disk wheels on the left hand wagon, I haven't dug those out of the cupboard yet, but they're the same size. For reference, the original bolsters are here, with a slate wagon between them as a match wagon: https://www.festipedia.org.uk/w/images/ ... er_Set.jpg

Time to break open the glue...

Andrew.
With the larger wheels, and slightly recessed into the floor, i think it looks closer to the real thing.

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Peter Butler » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:23 am

LNR wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:22 am
Definitely like your version on the left Andrew, it has the proportions of the very worn ones Peter Butler used to make his models.
I liked the very worn appearance so took my inspiration from an old photograph.....
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Unsure about the source of dimensions but it might have been a Colin Binnie drawing? Anyway they came out OK.....
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by LNR » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:33 am

Thanks Peter, I was unsure about using your photos.
Peter Butler wrote:
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Anyway they came out OK.....
I think that's an understatement !
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by FWLR » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:37 am

Your right Andrew, the left one is looking better by far.

Take some beating your's Peter..Will you make me a couple.... :lol: :lol:
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Peter Butler » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:20 pm

Andrew, I have found my Binnie drawing of the bolster wagon, it might be some help to you?.....
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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by Andrew » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:27 pm

I've been trying not to think about your lovely wagons Peter - they make me wonder why I splashed out for a kit to produce a model that won't be as good as yours! It was the thought of cutting the curves that put me off, and I thought the kit would be a treat, but I'm beginning to wonder... I've just discovered that once the larger wheels are set at the correct back-to-back they no longer fit between the frames, so further surgery will be required. And then there's the question of trying to make the MDF axleboxes run smoothly... If I wanted a treat I think I should've splashed out even more for the Harecroft version... Oh well...

Nice looking train there JMORG!

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Re: (WH)WHR Rolling Stock

Post by JMORG » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:38 pm

Could try the IP axle boxes? They add extra weight as well!
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Post by Andrew » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:39 pm

JMORG wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:38 pm
Could try the IP axle boxes? They add extra weight as well!
I was tempted, but have persevered with the ones in the kit, partly because I've already replaced the wheels and would rather not add further expense.

I think I've got these running ok now - the biggest problem seemed to be when the axles strayed too far to one side and snagged on the irregularities between the two thicknesses of the axlebox assemblies. That's sorted with the help of some little collars from biro inners - I think you'd struggle to find a model I've made in the last ten years that doesn't include a bit of biro somewhere or other!

They're VERY light and will definitely need extra weight, although a good chunky load should help...

Cheers,

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