Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by FWLR » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:42 am

I do like your bold colours Peter.

Love that little hut too. I have put a brick base on a Model Town Water Tower and it certainly has made a huge difference....
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Post by IrishPeter » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:01 pm

My usual railway palette is black, dark green, brown or "lake", grey - in short, colours that don't show the muck too much. The livery scheme for both my railways is relatively dark. The CLR, which is theoretically an offshoot of the NER/LNER, is basic black for locos; bauxite for fitted wagons (actually a reddish brown primer); and grey for unfitted. Departmental stock gets clobbered with either barn red, or grey (LNER used Oxford Blue - ironic given that Cambridge was on their system) depending on whether it is their exclusive possession, or the traffic department can nick it.

I only use bright colours for safety purposes - for example, loco buffer beams and brake van ends are red so that they can be seen when being moved around sidings and within station limits. If I ever get around to fitting dummy brake gear, then the brake handles will be white.

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Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by Andrew » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:52 am

I like the red ends too - I might well add some to my trusty (not to mention rusty) Mamod guards van when it receives its long-overdue overhaul. Apart from anything else it would add a touch of colour to winter goods trains, which would be rather nice when the garden's looking cold and drab. When I started making WHR wagons I initially baulked at the red paint, it seemed rather gaudy compared to my usual greys and browns, but actually I find I rather like it for that reason.

I like the shelter too, especially the roof. Actually, it's inspired me to make a stable for a colleague's camel, but that's one for another forum...

Looking forward to the next update,

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Post by philipy » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:57 am

I do like the roof on that hut, very realistic finish.

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Post by Peter Butler » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:51 pm

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...... it's inspired me to make a stable for a colleague's camel, but that's one for another forum...

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I have to ask.... what Forum has stables for camels amongst its subject headings.... sounds interesting!
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Post by Andrew » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:59 pm

Peter Butler wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:51 pm
Andrew wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:52 am
...... it's inspired me to make a stable for a colleague's camel, but that's one for another forum...

Andrew.
I have to ask.... what Forum has stables for camels amongst its subject headings.... sounds interesting!
I'll let you know when I find one!

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by IrishPeter » Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:27 pm

philipy wrote:
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I do like the roof on that hut, very realistic finish.
The roof on the hut is several hundred little wooden shingles. The Missus found a bag of doll's house shingles in a charity shop and hauled them home. The only catch is they were 1/12th scale, so every one gets cut into four - often very approximately - for use on the railway. It was a slightly tedious job, but not so bad when one is not on a schedule. I would have hated to spend a couple of solid hours on it.

As to the WHR goods stock... If I remember correctly, red oxide (brownish red) or red lead (almost orange when first applied) used to be a fairly common livery for fitted goods wagons, so SAR was not unusual in painting its suck brake wagons that colour. What surprises us about is that we are used to the British Railways convention of Bauxite (basically brown) for fitted, and grey for unfitted wagons, so red just isn't a wagon colour to us anymore. Bauxite replaced red oxide for fitted wagons on the LNER in the 1940s, and it was one area where their influence prevailed over Derby's.

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Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by IrishPeter » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:34 am

The last little bit of shingling on the waiting shelter was done yesterday. It needs ridge cap, barge boards, and possibly a noticeboard and a bench to complete.

The outside sides of the Saxon carriage were painted dark crimson lake this morning. I initially tried dark brown, but I found that a bit too sombre. I will have to see it in natural light before I decide if it needs toning down a bit, it looks quite bright in the basement - almost the Midland <spit> shade. However, if it is closer to the Midland colour that might not be a bad thing as that is roughly the colour of BR non-corridor stock, which would make the CLR's time period the 50s/early preservation.

The inside sides were cut yesterday and today and glued to the framework and outside side assembly this evening. Now we leave everything to dry for twelve hours; have a look at the wood pile; and then decide what to do next. Ideally it would be the underframe, but I still have not had the chance to get some 3/8th by 3/16th, so it is debateable whether I have sufficient timber for the underframe. If I have to postpone the underframe pending a visit to Harrisonburg, then I can get on with the body.

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by IrishPeter » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:45 am

Further progress with the current projects.

I decided that the brake van ought to be even more distinctive, so it ended up barn red with vermillion ends. Sorry it is a bit blurred.
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Red BV
The sides, ends, and floor of the Saxon coach have been assembled and painted a deep maroon, which is somewhere between BR non-corridor stock maroon and the NER colour. Close enough!
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Coach side view
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3/4 view
I then decided to pop it up on a spare set of logging bogies...
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The shell on logging bogies
and then borrow the roof off a similarly sized vehicle to get something closer to the full effect.
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Accommodation bogies
Then I thought to myself that it would look better on some track.
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Seven window side
And lastly, lined up with the road van.
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With BV
It still needs its sole bars and permanent bogies; drop lights, interior, and roof; then lastly hand rails. Like all good colonial railways I will probably be ordering from Blighty whatever I cannot scrounge or improvise locally. The interior will be fairly complex on this one as there is a small first class compartment; a lavatory compartment, and a third class saloon to fit out. Should keep me out of mischief for a while! I seem to have got into the habit of spend 30 to 90 minutes a day down there which is progressing things nicely.

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by LNR » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:31 am

That Saxon coach is going to look nice Peter, nice livery colour too. I relate to the thought process, try
it on some bogies, roof, track etc. Gives you an idea of where its all heading.
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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by FWLR » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:21 am

The coach is really very good. Impressed with your work Peter.
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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by Andrew » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:45 pm

LNR wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:31 am
I relate to the thought process, try
it on some bogies, roof, track etc. Gives you an idea of where its all heading.
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Yep, me too. I spend hours looking at half-finished models...

Looking great Peter, well done. The interior should be fun - I've always fancied building something with a side-corridor and compartments...

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by IrishPeter » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:47 pm

This particular SAR-SAS narrow gauge carriage was largely a saloon with benches lengthways, as each bay is only about 1250mm, which would cause knee interlock with face to face seating. The first class passengers got a little compartment of their own though. Some of the other Saxon-built 3rds and 3rd/1st composites, the ones with nine windows a side, look as though they had conventional seating bays arranged 2+1. I would guess the lavatory version would have held 22-26, and the rest 25-29. It is not uncommon on German built stock to have a pair of inward looking benches just inside the saloon doors, which helps squeeze in a few more seats.

I suspect, but I have not found photos to support this yet, some British built compartment stock was semi-corridor to give access to the centre lav. compartment(s). If I model any of those it will be using stout cardboard for the sides because cutting that many windows either messes up my wrist, or else takes an inordinate period of time. I have been meaning to experiment with the old cardboard on a wooden frame technique from the heyday of Gauge 1 for a while. I have used cardboard laminate stock in S scale - a IMR coach I built years ago - and know that with proper treatment card resists the damp.

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by IrishPeter » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:24 pm

An unwritten rule in this house is that we hit the local big box craft store for the sales after Christmas. The wife was at her observant best spotting some rubberized 'cobble stone' mat which may have a future in the walls of some building for the outdoor line, whilst I found some plastic corrugated board, which is what I used as the basis for the little waiting shelter.

I also bought a 14" x 17" pad of Bristol board, just for sh!ts and grins, to see if the card building techniques I used years ago when I brief messed around with O-16.5 will work in our scale. If it does, I can envision doing a lot more card building as it is less wearing on the carpal tunnels. I can also envision using plywood for a stiff core, and then Bristol board for the more detailed bits.

Otherwise I have a bit of a tidy up in the Works, so I can now use both the bench and the work table apart from the inevitable line of stuff stacked along the back.

I think we are about due a photo update too.

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Traffic Pattern? What pattern? Spuds out; grain in, but cattle, sheep and passengers are a lot less predictable.

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Re: Rolling Stock for the Far End Tramway

Post by IrishPeter » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:58 pm

p.s. Good news and bad news. The wife must be feeling better - I got busted for spray painting in the basement today! :lol:

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