Bashing an IP Eng. Hudson Hunslet
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Bashing an IP Eng. Hudson Hunslet
Back in 2015, I started volunteering at ANGRMS, a heritage railway/museum in Woodford, Queensland.
Part of the collection is this Hudson Hunslet. As it's missing most of it's engine, we used it as a brake van on the passenger train, until it's wheel profiles became too worn. The loco's now on display.
I'd always rather fancied doing a model based on this. That went on the back-burner until late 2018.
01/08/19
IP Engineering released a Hudson Hunslet kit in (I think) 2018, for £85. I ordered one in December, and it arrived in January. Thanks to a house move and a number of pre-existing projects, I didn't get round to starting the Hudson until August 2019.
It's an interesting kit, comprising of CNC-milled styrene, cast whitemetal, and 3D-printed parts. All the parts seem to be up to IP's usual good standard.
The loco as standard, is two-wheel-drive. The loco will be made 4WD using the Delrin sprockets and chain at top left.
As it comes, the loco is available in 32mm gauge only (I run 45mm), and the cab and detailing parts are based on No.2207 on display in Blaenau Ffestiniog. As such, the kit will serve merely as a starting point for what I wish to do.
For reference, I'll be be using my own photos and measurements taken at Woodford, and these photos,depicting a much more complete and original machine:http://railsvagabonds.canalblog.com/alb ... index.html
02/08/19
The 3D-printed frames in the kit are a very far cry from that of the prototype. A test assembly with the provided bolts revealed that the extensive stretching of the chassis was to accommodate the motor in it's position between the axles. However, the chassis is lengthened far more than it needs to be - there's roughly ⅝"/16mm of empty space between the rear axle and the end of the motor! I'll have to cut out a chunk of the frames' midsections. Never mind all the other major shape/size discrepancies to fix.. Maybe it's something to do with minimising warpage of the parts during printing; but then I really don't have a clue about such processes.
In any case, these frames can't stay the way they are. I've bolted them together, covering the countersunk holes with tiny washers on this visible side. The round "disks" on the axlebox fronts and on the spring hangers will also be removed, and replaced with more prototypical detailing.
03/08/19
I've never worked with 3D-printed parts before, so I decided to start with a coat of filler primer on the frames, bonnet and whitemetal coupling castings.
04/08/19
To work out just how big a chunk had to be taken from the frames, I first had to fit the worm on the motor shaft, and make another dummy assembly run.
The motor's mounting bracket is a nicely-made part, needing only very little cleanup in the center hole, before it could be used. In the background, a pair of 45mm IP wheelsets was found in the parts box, and the sprockets pushed onto the axles. I wouldn't have been able to make it 4WD on 32mm gauge.
The motor is fitted to it's mount with self-tapping screws. Normally, this would be a trial-assembly to be taken apart and done permanently later, when I'm ready to install the motor - but I hate self-tappers, so I don't want to touch these particular screws ever again. It's a great idea though, fitting the motor with screws rather than glue - makes it so much easier and less destructive to the model, should the motor or worm ever need replacement. Ideally, one would use a motor with tapped holes in it, for mounting with proper machine screws.
After mocking up and accurately re-checking the length of frame to be cut out, I decided to reshape the ends of the frames, the center spring hanger ends, and add a taper to the sides of the axleboxes. Because the printed PLA material is so hard, I ended using the dremel, which was a bit hairy, as the plastic would rapidly start to melt. I got there in the end, and will finish it with emery boards and needle files after the frames are shortened.
The 3" square and a razor saw made for a good job of shortening the frames.
05/08/19
Rechecking the parts again, and I've under a millimeter of clearance from the rear axle to the motor. Including the saw's kerf, about 16.5mm was removed from the chassis length. It's still not perfect, but plenty close enough.
06/08/19
Some ¼" styrene angle was used to join the parts together, taking time to ensure both sides of the frames were precisely identical in length. The holes in the front sides of the axleboxes seem to be cavities in the printed parts, revealed when I removed the un-prototypical "disk" detailing with the dremel.
After etch and filler primers, I could get started on the radiator. There's some blowholes around the bottom of the casting, but that's easy to fill, and the quality is otherwise good. The blowholes were filled with "Selley's Plasti-Bond Bog", and the excess wiped away with a thumb and knife blade.
I quickly realised that the longer I looked at this radiator, the less realistic it became - among many other things, the main issue is that it's thing is a fair bit too wide, as is the bonnet. This isn't much of a problem, though, as I'm thinking that this can be a "might-have-been" 2'6" gauge version, loosely modelled to run on 45mm track. Considering that Hunslet later did an enlarged 2'6" version of the popular 2ft gauge model, I figure what I'm doing sounds reasonably plausible.
Frames bogged up and awaiting sanding.
At this point, I wanted to do yet another mock-up. The bearing holes in the axleboxes needed some careful cleaning out, before the bearings would properly seat. The container of screws was there to counteract the weight of the radiator bending the cardboard "footplate".
Part of the collection is this Hudson Hunslet. As it's missing most of it's engine, we used it as a brake van on the passenger train, until it's wheel profiles became too worn. The loco's now on display.
I'd always rather fancied doing a model based on this. That went on the back-burner until late 2018.
01/08/19
IP Engineering released a Hudson Hunslet kit in (I think) 2018, for £85. I ordered one in December, and it arrived in January. Thanks to a house move and a number of pre-existing projects, I didn't get round to starting the Hudson until August 2019.
It's an interesting kit, comprising of CNC-milled styrene, cast whitemetal, and 3D-printed parts. All the parts seem to be up to IP's usual good standard.
The loco as standard, is two-wheel-drive. The loco will be made 4WD using the Delrin sprockets and chain at top left.
As it comes, the loco is available in 32mm gauge only (I run 45mm), and the cab and detailing parts are based on No.2207 on display in Blaenau Ffestiniog. As such, the kit will serve merely as a starting point for what I wish to do.
For reference, I'll be be using my own photos and measurements taken at Woodford, and these photos,depicting a much more complete and original machine:http://railsvagabonds.canalblog.com/alb ... index.html
02/08/19
The 3D-printed frames in the kit are a very far cry from that of the prototype. A test assembly with the provided bolts revealed that the extensive stretching of the chassis was to accommodate the motor in it's position between the axles. However, the chassis is lengthened far more than it needs to be - there's roughly ⅝"/16mm of empty space between the rear axle and the end of the motor! I'll have to cut out a chunk of the frames' midsections. Never mind all the other major shape/size discrepancies to fix.. Maybe it's something to do with minimising warpage of the parts during printing; but then I really don't have a clue about such processes.
In any case, these frames can't stay the way they are. I've bolted them together, covering the countersunk holes with tiny washers on this visible side. The round "disks" on the axlebox fronts and on the spring hangers will also be removed, and replaced with more prototypical detailing.
03/08/19
I've never worked with 3D-printed parts before, so I decided to start with a coat of filler primer on the frames, bonnet and whitemetal coupling castings.
04/08/19
To work out just how big a chunk had to be taken from the frames, I first had to fit the worm on the motor shaft, and make another dummy assembly run.
The motor's mounting bracket is a nicely-made part, needing only very little cleanup in the center hole, before it could be used. In the background, a pair of 45mm IP wheelsets was found in the parts box, and the sprockets pushed onto the axles. I wouldn't have been able to make it 4WD on 32mm gauge.
The motor is fitted to it's mount with self-tapping screws. Normally, this would be a trial-assembly to be taken apart and done permanently later, when I'm ready to install the motor - but I hate self-tappers, so I don't want to touch these particular screws ever again. It's a great idea though, fitting the motor with screws rather than glue - makes it so much easier and less destructive to the model, should the motor or worm ever need replacement. Ideally, one would use a motor with tapped holes in it, for mounting with proper machine screws.
After mocking up and accurately re-checking the length of frame to be cut out, I decided to reshape the ends of the frames, the center spring hanger ends, and add a taper to the sides of the axleboxes. Because the printed PLA material is so hard, I ended using the dremel, which was a bit hairy, as the plastic would rapidly start to melt. I got there in the end, and will finish it with emery boards and needle files after the frames are shortened.
The 3" square and a razor saw made for a good job of shortening the frames.
05/08/19
Rechecking the parts again, and I've under a millimeter of clearance from the rear axle to the motor. Including the saw's kerf, about 16.5mm was removed from the chassis length. It's still not perfect, but plenty close enough.
06/08/19
Some ¼" styrene angle was used to join the parts together, taking time to ensure both sides of the frames were precisely identical in length. The holes in the front sides of the axleboxes seem to be cavities in the printed parts, revealed when I removed the un-prototypical "disk" detailing with the dremel.
After etch and filler primers, I could get started on the radiator. There's some blowholes around the bottom of the casting, but that's easy to fill, and the quality is otherwise good. The blowholes were filled with "Selley's Plasti-Bond Bog", and the excess wiped away with a thumb and knife blade.
I quickly realised that the longer I looked at this radiator, the less realistic it became - among many other things, the main issue is that it's thing is a fair bit too wide, as is the bonnet. This isn't much of a problem, though, as I'm thinking that this can be a "might-have-been" 2'6" gauge version, loosely modelled to run on 45mm track. Considering that Hunslet later did an enlarged 2'6" version of the popular 2ft gauge model, I figure what I'm doing sounds reasonably plausible.
Frames bogged up and awaiting sanding.
At this point, I wanted to do yet another mock-up. The bearing holes in the axleboxes needed some careful cleaning out, before the bearings would properly seat. The container of screws was there to counteract the weight of the radiator bending the cardboard "footplate".
Regards,
Aaron - Scum Class Works
Aaron - Scum Class Works
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Re: Bashing an IP Eng. Hudson Hunslet
08/08/19
The wheels need holes drilling in them. I'd forgotten to measure those of the prototype, so this was just based on photos. Here, I'm scribing out center-lines for drilling, having used permanent marker as marking blue.
Marking the cross-lines was more difficult. Measuring from the front side of the wheel, I decided on 6mm from the flange-tips for the hole locations.
The holes were then started as accurately as I could manage, using a center drill in the drill press..
..Then taking my sweet time drilling through with lubricant, starting with 1.5mm, and working up to 2.5mm.
I did break a couple 1.5mm bits, which is why I keep spares.
The placement didn't turn out perfect (some are just crap) but in this case, it won't be noticeable.
I've finished cleaning up the side frames, using emery boards, (for fingernails) needle files, and for the center arch, the dremel. They're still not as good as I'd like, but it's close enough. I still don't see why this couldn't have been done properly in the first place..
09/08/19
Cutting the footplate and headstocks from 2mm styrene.
As the chassis went together, thoughts turned to where the batteries and R/C gear will go. I can cram one AAA lithium-ion cell at either end, out of sight behind the headstocks. I've yet to decide where the charging socket will go..
One tiny rolling chassis. Well, almost - the bearings need a fair amount of running in before I fit the motor. A coat of filler-primer should hide the joints and smooth the corners, so the assembly resembles the prototype's one-piece cast chassis.
Even without it's cab and side tanks, a diminutive Accucraft Ruby (was under overhaul at the time of photography) dwarfs the Hudson Hunslet.
16/10/19
The coupling hooks were fitted, trimmed, and the hooks' shape adjusted with pliers. Rather than the countersunk M2 Phillips screws provided in the kit, I found some spare M1.6 hex bolts in the fasteners container. Their oversized heads are a close match to the cast-in dummy bolt heads, of these very nice coupling castings. A couple of spare IP 30mm wheels were relieved of their axle and blu-tacked to the footplate for extra weight. I don't have a home line right now, so I intended to take the chassis to a club track and couple it behind whatever train I was taking to run there, in order to wear in the chassis' bearings. The day I went, however, was rained-out. I ended up bedding-in the bearings by pushing the chassis back-and-forth along the bench for twenty minutes whilst watching a movie.
I'll trim the bolts when I get to fitting batteries..
10/02/2020
The motor clearance hole was cut in the footplate.
The motor/bracket assembly was used as a guide to drill mounting holes in the footplate.
11/02/20
The motor was fitted with the supplied M2 screws, aligned through trial-and-error, with shims of five-thou styrene.
Testing the gear engagement with a very temporary arrangement, involving a Deltang Rx63-2 receiver, and my best friend, Blu-Tac.
That's the Hudson so far. I'll update this thread when there's more to show, though this loco is pretty far down the list of priorities here at the Works.
Bringing the existing fleet up to current standards, the renovation of new workshop/house, and preparatory work for a new tramway is the current priority.
The wheels need holes drilling in them. I'd forgotten to measure those of the prototype, so this was just based on photos. Here, I'm scribing out center-lines for drilling, having used permanent marker as marking blue.
Marking the cross-lines was more difficult. Measuring from the front side of the wheel, I decided on 6mm from the flange-tips for the hole locations.
The holes were then started as accurately as I could manage, using a center drill in the drill press..
..Then taking my sweet time drilling through with lubricant, starting with 1.5mm, and working up to 2.5mm.
I did break a couple 1.5mm bits, which is why I keep spares.
The placement didn't turn out perfect (some are just crap) but in this case, it won't be noticeable.
I've finished cleaning up the side frames, using emery boards, (for fingernails) needle files, and for the center arch, the dremel. They're still not as good as I'd like, but it's close enough. I still don't see why this couldn't have been done properly in the first place..
09/08/19
Cutting the footplate and headstocks from 2mm styrene.
As the chassis went together, thoughts turned to where the batteries and R/C gear will go. I can cram one AAA lithium-ion cell at either end, out of sight behind the headstocks. I've yet to decide where the charging socket will go..
One tiny rolling chassis. Well, almost - the bearings need a fair amount of running in before I fit the motor. A coat of filler-primer should hide the joints and smooth the corners, so the assembly resembles the prototype's one-piece cast chassis.
Even without it's cab and side tanks, a diminutive Accucraft Ruby (was under overhaul at the time of photography) dwarfs the Hudson Hunslet.
16/10/19
The coupling hooks were fitted, trimmed, and the hooks' shape adjusted with pliers. Rather than the countersunk M2 Phillips screws provided in the kit, I found some spare M1.6 hex bolts in the fasteners container. Their oversized heads are a close match to the cast-in dummy bolt heads, of these very nice coupling castings. A couple of spare IP 30mm wheels were relieved of their axle and blu-tacked to the footplate for extra weight. I don't have a home line right now, so I intended to take the chassis to a club track and couple it behind whatever train I was taking to run there, in order to wear in the chassis' bearings. The day I went, however, was rained-out. I ended up bedding-in the bearings by pushing the chassis back-and-forth along the bench for twenty minutes whilst watching a movie.
I'll trim the bolts when I get to fitting batteries..
10/02/2020
The motor clearance hole was cut in the footplate.
The motor/bracket assembly was used as a guide to drill mounting holes in the footplate.
11/02/20
The motor was fitted with the supplied M2 screws, aligned through trial-and-error, with shims of five-thou styrene.
Testing the gear engagement with a very temporary arrangement, involving a Deltang Rx63-2 receiver, and my best friend, Blu-Tac.
That's the Hudson so far. I'll update this thread when there's more to show, though this loco is pretty far down the list of priorities here at the Works.
Bringing the existing fleet up to current standards, the renovation of new workshop/house, and preparatory work for a new tramway is the current priority.
Regards,
Aaron - Scum Class Works
Aaron - Scum Class Works
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Re: Bashing an IP Eng. Hudson Hunslet
Plastic engineering at its best... a story line I can relate to.
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Re: Bashing an IP Eng. Hudson Hunslet
A very neat bit of construction, beautifully described.
Rik
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Re: Bashing an IP Eng. Hudson Hunslet
Nice work Aaron, looking forward to seeing the finished product.
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Re: Bashing an IP Eng. Hudson Hunslet
Great stuff, will be following this build closely.
Doug
Hopelessly bodging stuff into some sort of semblance of a railway up in the frozen wasteland of County Durham.
16mm(ish) scale NG on 32mm track
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16mm(ish) scale NG on 32mm track
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