Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Snailrail » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:20 pm

That grime is beautiful, very realistic. Not sure I could raise the courage to try it and risk ruining a loco.
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Old Man Aaron » Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:57 am

Been a long time since last I made a video; I think back then I had Windows Movie Maker with which to work.. :roll:
Will find another video editing program and learn to use it..

I see where you're coming from, Brian. I'm still quite new to weathering, so it's all very trial-and-error. Before slapping the grime-wash onto "Victoria", I practiced on a Stainz sitting around in the rebuild queue, (will be repainted or rebodied anyway) with good results. Tried to get a photo of it, but that test weathering wouldn't show up on camera for some reason; that's why I didn't mention it. It helps having originally painted everything with enamels, so when I'm not happy with how a weathered bit looks, it can be wiped clean with white spirits on a rag or cotton bud, leaving the paintwork as-original. That, I think is the key - being able to reverse the weathering if you're not happy with it.
If you reach a result you're happy with, I'd leave it for a day or two, come back to it. If at that point you're still happy with it, then clearcoat over it for protection. From there, you could leave it as-is, or have a go at layering more effects over what's been done. (bit of rust or lime stains, etc.) That's what works for me, anyway.


16/03/21
I was going to follow on from the previous work with some more grime-washing, but found one of the ashpan lights wasn't working after re-wiring the tender. Investigation revealed the issue was with the loco - one of the wires had broken away from the plug under the fall plate. I'm not proud of my original ashpan and wiring, so as the broken wire was to be replaced, so too was the remaining wiring and the ashpan itself. Which were all glued into place and had to be pried out. :scratch:
Normally, when I examine someone's past workmanship and think "who the hell made this sh*t?" it's on a full-size sugar mill loco, not a model one I did. :roll:
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A few hours later, I had the ashpan that should've been made in the first place. I figure loads of us put battery holders and servos next to boilers and under footplates, so a styrene ashpan on a gas-fired loco will be fine. It's removable, too; held in place by the pony wheel frame. I'll have to make a washer from shim brass to act as a bearing between ashpan and pony frame. Working in small sections, superglue was applied and sprinkled over with ground-up ash and clinker from a 7¼" ashpan. A bit of weathering powders were also helpful in giving the sides a dusty appearance. A quick spray of Tamiya flat clear then had it ready to go.
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17/03/21
The new wiring is in, held in place only by the frame spacer. An alfoil "reflector" was tacked into place by a drop of cyano in each corner, in hopes it might make an improvement over the somewhat dim output of the old setup. Bulbs were replaced for peace of mind, and just as last time, they're just 3V grain-of-wheat, coloured with Tamiya's Clear Yellow tinted with a little Gloss Red.
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The result is a little brighter than last time. Not perfect, but if your face is any more than 6" away from the loco, it looks fine. Since taking this photo, I did dry brush a little more red over the bulbs to adjust their colour. Ideally, I'd remove the frame spacer and use larger bulbs; but the cab and boiler are fixed to the chassis through that spacer.
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20/03/21
I could then get onto the second hit of grime-washing and whatever else was needed. Used paper towel to wipe it off this time, instead of a rag. Left only a few traces of paper fiber to brush away.. A darker, less-thinned grime was mixed and applied to the motion's joints and pivots.
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After that, powders were applied where needed - "rust" on throatplate, cab steps, roof, smokebox and chimney, "snow" around whistle, safety valve and ashpan openings. Looks a bit stark in places right now, but the clearcoat will tone it down a fair bit - in fact I'll certainly have to come back and apply more powder..
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Excuse the paint worn from the buffer head; I'm handling the loco by that and the cab roof's underside. Painting the buffers will be one of the very last jobs..
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21/03/21
Yesterday, I mixed some Tamiya Flat Clear enamel in a mini spray gun and clearcoated the entire loco and tender. After that, I airbrushed some track grime across the running gear, and soot over the top. I didn't photograph that job, as it was a bit busy and I was making mistakes and fixing them as I went. But I've written it all down and will cover it all in detail when I do the next loco. It's all too easy to overdo, and I did. Thankfully, after leaving it overnight, a clean rag just barely damp with white spirits can be used to "clean" where needed, and reduce the intensity of the airbrushed effect.

Content with that, I set about protecting what's been done with a final clearcoat. As it's raining and the humidity is over 90%, I decided not to risk a foggy clearcoat right at the end of the job, and hauled the dehumidifier from my caravan into the garage. With the garage closed up after two hours, the humidity had dropped to 60%, and I sprayed the first of two coats with the mini spray gun. With that, the garage was opened, aired out, then closed up and the dehumidifier turned on again. Once I finish typing this, I'll go spray the second coat and call it a day.

As an aside, that ultrasonic cleaner is a godsend for cleaning the airbrush. It makes owning and using one far less of a tedious nightmare than it used to be.
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Peter Butler » Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:00 am

That is a beautiful paint and grime effect Aaron, you should feel well proud of that now. Also, the ultrasonic airbrush cleaner idea is brilliant, the thought of cleaning the thing each time I use it has put me off before, but you have offered new hope!
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by philipy » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:36 pm

Aaron, like Peter I'm impressed/intrigued by your ultrasonic airbrush cleaner. Never heard of one before and haven't used my airbrush for years simply because its such a pain to clean. Can you give us any details of the cleaner you have?
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Old Man Aaron » Sat Mar 27, 2021 1:15 pm

The ultrasonic cleaner I bought was only a cheapy from Evilbay, with a 600ml capacity; Set me back about $50AUD and works very well. As mentioned earlier in this thread, it's been great for cleaning the loco's motion without dismantling it and losing the timing. Some people swear by ultrasonics for cleaning airbrushes, others are vehemently against it, claiming it'll destroy the o-rings, plating etc. My airbrush is another Evilbay el-cheapo I bought after breaking my last one. (no room for error when refitting those tiny nozzles) Although airbrushes have their uses and I wouldn't be without one, I hate the damned things, avoid using it whenever possible, and have no qualms about simply buying another cheapo if this one runs into any real problems.

After spraying, I dismantled the brush and placed the parts in a jar filled with white spirit. The jar was then placed in the ultrasonic, which was filled with water to help the vibration reach the parts in the jar. Ten minutes running, then left it to sit overnight because I'd finished work for the day, had a shower, and held no intention of more fiddling with an airbrush, by that point. Ran it another ten minutes the next morning for good measure, then re-assembled it and sprayed some new white spirit through the brush, just to be sure it was clean. If I were you, I'd get one of the 2-3 liter units that resemble deep fryers. They're not that much more expensive and you will at some point, want to clean something too big for the little 600ml one.

22/03/21
The loco is very nearly done. The buffer heads were painted in the usual way, by rolling and dabbing cotton buds, dipped in black, white and brown enamels. A few rivets and the smokebox/chimney received some dry-brushed rusty streaking. And a chock was added after I found it laying in the box of parts for this loco.
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Something I did some time ago but never mentioned, was to put an M3 thread on the end of the drawbar pin. I found the drawbar had a tendency to drop when visiting some bad trackwork, leaving the weight of tender and train, hanging from only the wiring connection to the loco. (I've just realised this is partly why the wire broke off right at the plug.) A washer and hand-strength threadlocker should prevent any loosening..

At the same time, the piston rod glands (which were removed when the loco was stripped) were replaced with the graphite string supplied in the Roundhouse servicing kit - they've been left loose and will be nipped up under steam. Some steam oil was worked into the cylinders and valve chest by capillary action, by backing the gland nut away, and touching a flat-blade screwdriver dipped in oil against where the rods enter the cylinders and steamchests. This was repeated a few times, and the rods worked back and forth a bit to help draw and spread the oil inside. The motion was sparingly lubricated with 20w50 engine oil in the same way, and gently freed-up. Trailing and tender bearings were also oiled. I really need to buy some needle-nozzle oil bottles for the works.. :roll:
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Although I can't steam test the loco until the 4th of April (just want to give the airbrushed enamel time to cure before exposure to hot oil) I can at least take the ex-works shots, and look back at the saga this loco has been.
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I'm extremely pleased to say that 2½ years after its initial completion, (and five years since first starting the project) "Victoria" is finally finished the way it was originally intended. :oops: Can't wait to see it on a string of wholestick trucks on the next "proper" tramway. :D
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I found the ashpan lights and front headlight were untenably dim, when viewed outdoors in the evening. Checking the voltage with a multimeter, the 3V bulbs were receiving only 2.4V from the fully-charged pair of NiMh AAs in the tender. So I added a third cell, but didn't have a 3-cell holder - only a 4. So I just "blanked off" one of the cell spaces by soldering a wire across it. This did the trick, and all the lights now throw a respectable incandescent beam. 8) They should be fine on 3.6V, I think 4.5V was their limit.
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The water bag is hooked over the side, and retained with a blob of blu-tac. Yes, I know the ashpan should have damper doors, but.. :dontknow: :roll:
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For those that asked, I'll get some video in steam sometime in the coming weeks, get my head around this new video editor, and post back here when I have something worthy of publication.. I learned quite a bit over the course of this loco, and took many notes on what did and didn't work, for reference next time.
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Speaking of "next time" - the staff at Scum Class Works (as I'm now calling it) will work through some smaller jobs, then start looking at the next loco to be done - a 2016 Bundaberg Fowler to be named "Calloway". I was going to write an even more detailed thread on the pre-cleaning and weathering of the loco, but after reading back through this thread, I think it's already detailed enough, and repeating that would be pointless.
Thanks for reading, hope it gives someone bad ideas.. ;)
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Peter Butler » Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:05 pm

She looks superb Aaron, a real professional job, you can expect nothing but praise from your colleagues when you next meet, they will be green with envy I'm sure.
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Keith S » Sat Mar 27, 2021 3:10 pm

What an excellent job. The glowing ashpan is a very interesting detail. I think also it bears repeating how realistic your track is. The rails themselves are a modelling triumph.

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Post by Snailrail » Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:17 pm

That's just fantastic, love it !
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Post by Andrew » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:28 pm

Just catching up with this thread - that loco is REALLY lovely! You've nailed the finish, I reckon - a loco that's been worked hard but still looked after.

I'm inspired to carry on working on my Accucraft model of Baldwin 590, never much liked by WHR crews and so seemingly rarely cleaned... I shall be re-visiting this thread for tips!

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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Lonsdaler » Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:31 am

Hi Aaron,
i too am just catching up after my extended absence - what an absolute corker that engine has turned into! I think we can be our own worst critics - you have to remember that the overall effect is seen at a distance of 4-6 foot, and the niggly things you know of and notice will not be seen by other observers.
I take it the Tamiya paints are acrylic - or are they? Presumably you're confident of the resistance of the clear coat you've used to the heat it will be exposed to.
A beautiful model very nicely enhanced. I'm sure that when Mr. IN Spectre finally arrives at Anzac Creek, he will want a guided tour of Scum class Works :lol:

Brilliant stuff - well done :thumbup:
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Post by TonyW » Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:03 pm

A superb job, well done. It is always nice to see a loco that is no longer in shiny-shiny-shiny fresh from the box condition.

And you painted the wheels! It baffles me as to why a huge proportion of model loco owners think their locos look great with unpainted shiny plated wheels. Try finding a full-size prototype of that...!

My favourite bit of your loco: The rivets on the frames. What a difference they make.
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Old Man Aaron » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:46 pm

Thanks again gents, really pleased with how loco and track (well, most of the latter) has turned out.

Andrew; I'm excited to hear that; encouraging others to have a go at weathering is half the reason this thread exists. That, and to contribute something to this forum from which I've learned so much over the years, lurking, until recently. Keep us posted, please!

Phil; Tamiya makes both acrylics (round jars) and enamels. (square jars) I wouldn't dream of trying any acrylic on a live steamer. I know plenty of people successfully spray the bodywork/cladding with car acrylics, but I'm not willing to risk the paint softening under steam. Though to be honest, I did use acrylic inside the ashpan because it was more convenient - it'll barely get warm and nothing will get in there to damage it anyway.. The tramway has quite a bit planned for the inspector..

Tony; Thanks, the rivets (dressmaker's pins) cumulatively took seven hours, and thirty 0.8mm drill bits! During the original build, a mate of mine did something similar on his loco, which soon prompted stripping down my own chassis, after I'd already assembled and timed it.. Shiny wheels and cylinder caps are a pet hate of mine too, especially given how easy they are to deal with - but each to their own, of course..

Looking forward to the day I can finally step back, and see a half-dozen or so fleet of grimy canefield workhorses on shed.. :)
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Old Man Aaron » Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:44 am

Tested "Victoria" on Thursday and Friday. Had the usual troubles filling the gas tank. You'd think it's warm enough in this country to not require pre-heating a brand-new gas can for every fill. :scratch: Clearly something isn't right, but it happens with all three locos I've steamed since late 2018; one Accy, two Roundhouse - even tried swapping the filler valves on the latter two. Also tried two different nylon gas adapters. All to no avail, who knows why this is.. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, though it's hard to stuff up filling a gas tank. Only thing I've not tried, is a different brand of butane..

Once the tank was finally filled, the loco was soon pleasantly simmering. One strange thing I've noticed, is that the clearcoat that gets hottest (on boiler, smokebox, domes and front headstock, yet not the cylinder cladding?) has turned to a satin finish. This is a bit weird, but I'm wondering if this isn't just off-gassing due to the heat, and my may rectify itself with time..
Worst case, I'll degrease it with alcohol and water, and take my chances with Humbrol flat clear :? - I used it on the Baldwin before I sold it, and it stayed matt under steam..
A light-engine trial up and down the elevated "yard" (tightening the cylinder gland nuts before they made a dribbly mess) was very successful, so I called it a day.
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The next afternoon, a carriage and requisite momentum van were coupled on for a road test. "Victoria" behaved as you'd expect a Roundhouse, and I look forward to hanging a reasonable train behind it at the AMRA open day in Zillmere next weekend. (plague provisions notwithstanding)
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As requested, I took some video. Please excuse the funny transition pacing, slight camera wobble, and my camera's annoying habit of dampening the audio when zooming. In time, I'd like to make better quality and more realistic videos..


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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Lonsdaler » Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:15 pm

Lovely job Aaron. The opening shot in the video could have been 1:1 scale. Despite the problem with the clearcoat, you must be very pleased.
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Peter Butler » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:28 pm

Wonderful video Aaron, the low angle shots through the foliage are beautiful. It makes your railway come alive and appears to be much larger than it really is.
Love the wildlife noises too, no need for added sound effects in your back yard!
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Re: Weitere Verbesserungen an einem Roundhouse Fowler

Post by SKGLB » Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:15 am

Hello Aaron,

very nice slow run of the Fowler in a wonderfully designed outdoor layout. :thumbleft:

Only the noise of the slomo wagon bothers a bit.
But I know the problem, I built a slomo wagon with 2 zecars myself, the mechanical delay is close to the original but the noise is a bit annoying.

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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Old Man Aaron » Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:00 am

Thanks again. I'm finding that starting a shot slightly zoomed in, often makes the photo of video look more like a 1:1 scale shot. Could be something to do with the field of view, but then I've yet to seriously look into home film-making. Looking forward to making "videos of "proper" cane tramway movements once the next line is built. I'll have more bird sounds and none of the air-conditioner's humming.. :roll:

Aye, sorry about that van's harsh and obtrusive noise, especially on such a short train. Annoys the hell out of me, too. Camera makes it sound worse, but it would've been slightly quieter, had I oiled the gears before the run. I've four other Zecars and will look at ways to try and quieten them down when they're built into new wagons..
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Andrew » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:46 am

I agree with the others, a lovely video. I think it's incredible (inspirational, indeed) how realistic a line you've built in such a small space, and your close attention to the track has really paid off, it looks amazing. It's something I'll be thinking about more in future...

Sorry to hear of your varnish woes - although, for what it's worth, I still think it looks great, the more satin bits just look a little oilier. I've been looking at reviews for various varnishes, and those for Humbrol are pretty mixed, aren't they?! I don't know if I'll dare risk it on my Baldwin - I don't have an airbrush, so my options are pretty limited...

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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by Keith S » Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:41 pm

well done
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Re: Further Improvements to a Roundhouse Fowler

Post by FWLR » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:45 am

Nice video. Love the shots travelling through the foliage.

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