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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by BorisSpencer » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:17 pm

Just to add, the chassis I bought from Steve some time ago had blackened wheels, after a couple of test laps around the garden the tyres and flanges were shiny silver just as you would expect.
Also when I retreat the deck boards that form my track bed I don't worry about getting preservative on the rails, as after running a few train the top and inside of the rail head is back to bare metal, just as per prototype.

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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by bambuko » Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:02 pm

Perfect :!:
@ BorisSpencer - it's good to have confirmation of my theory :D
That what I was aiming for :thumbright:

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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by FWLR » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:31 am

bambuko wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:20 pm

What do you think guys? (and girls, if there are any here?)
You mentioned "girls' first Chris.... :lol: :lol:
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by bambuko » Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:42 am

FWLR wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:31 am
...You mentioned "girls' first Chris.... :lol: :lol:
That's beacuse I am an incorrigible dinosaur :mrgreen:
ps I have been locting the wheels on axles since yesterday - not taking chances and leaving it for 24 hrs to set before touching, because it would be right PITA if something were to go wrong with it later...

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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by FWLR » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:23 am

bambuko wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:42 am
FWLR wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:31 am
...You mentioned "girls' first Chris.... :lol: :lol:
That's beacuse I am an incorrigible dinosaur :mrgreen:
ps I have been locting the wheels on axles since yesterday - not taking chances and leaving it for 24 hrs to set before touching, because it would be right PITA if something were to go wrong with it later...
........................ :laughing3: :laughing3: :laughing3:
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by dewintondave » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:43 am

Oil blackening steel is great. I've got some filthy lawnmower sump oil that puts a different finish on steel compared to clean oil. Thickness of the job and degree of heating before plunging into the oil makes a difference. I've been oil blackening screws most recently. I copped criticism from UK based H&S types, telling me the oil was carcinogenic :D
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by FWLR » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:02 am

dewintondave wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:43 am
Oil blackening steel is great. I've got some filthy lawnmower sump oil that puts a different finish on steel compared to clean oil. Thickness of the job and degree of heating before plunging into the oil makes a difference. I've been oil blackening screws most recently. I copped criticism from UK based H&S types, telling me the oil was carcinogenic :D
Who cares what those H&S types think Dave. So long has you have what you need from doing the blackening is all that matters.....

By the way shows how intelligent I am.. :roll: I didn't have a clue what carcinogenic meant until I looked it up... :mrgreen: {Things that could cause cancer.}
When I was a young lad, :lol: I was told, if you eat burnt toast you will get cancer.... :scratch:
It's not happened yet....Now were is that piece of wood to touch..... :lol: :lol:
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by bambuko » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:20 am

Had a bit of a setback :scratch: with wheels loctited on the axles.
The retention strength is nowhere near what it should be...
I don't know whether it is the age of my Loctite (I am using ancient 648 I had for years).
It shouldn't be, since I didn't have problems with it before, but just in case ordered another bottle of 638 (higher strength and tolerant of bigger gaps than 648).
It is possibly contamination caused by blackening?
Going to have to do some experiments and if necessary re-do the whole axle wheel thing :oops:
Trying not to get too depressed ...

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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by GTB » Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:54 pm

bambuko wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:20 am
Had a bit of a setback :scratch: with wheels loctited on the axles.
The retention strength is nowhere near what it should be...
I don't know whether it is the age of my Loctite (I am using ancient 648 I had for years).
It shouldn't be, since I didn't have problems with it before, but just in case ordered another bottle of 638 (higher strength and tolerant of bigger gaps than 648).
It is possibly contamination caused by blackening?
Going to have to do some experiments and if necessary re-do the whole axle wheel thing :oops:
Trying not to get too depressed ...
Technically, the black coating is a thin porous layer of iron oxide, saturated with oil. As a chemist I'd classify it as a heavily contaminated surface for the purpose of making a joint with Loctite.

I doubt the age of the Loctite 648 is an issue. The bottle of Loctite 601 that I use for fitting wheels is over 30 years old and it still makes a joint that is hard to break, provided the surface is properly prepared.

Did you ream the bores of the wheels when you made them? If so, run the reamer through again which will scrape off the oxide, then degrease the bores with a suitable solvent and try the Loctite again.

If that doesn't work, there's less work involved if you just bore the holes in the wheels larger, press fit bushes and then ream for the existing axles.

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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by bambuko » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:08 pm

GTB wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:54 pm
...As a chemist I'd classify it as a heavily contaminated surface for the purpose of making a joint with Loctite....
thank you GBT,
that was my (reluctant) conclusion as well
as they say in the trade "cluster f**k up" on my part :oops:

GTB wrote:
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...I doubt the age of the Loctite 648 is an issue. The bottle of Loctite 601 that I use for fitting wheels is over 30 years old ....
mine is also over 30 years old :mrgreen: and it didn't cause problems on other projects
GTB wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:54 pm
...Did you ream the bores of the wheels when you made them?..
I finished with reaming, but I will try to get everything properly cleaned (and use 638 which can cope with bigger gaps)
GTB wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:54 pm
...If that doesn't work, there's less work involved if you just bore the holes in the wheels larger, press fit bushes and then ream for the existing axles...
Can be done this way, but it is probably six ve half a dozen (or whatever is the correct English idiom :D )

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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by dewintondave » Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:40 pm

FWLR wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:02 am

Who cares what those H&S types think Dave. So long has you have what you need from doing the blackening is all that matters.....

By the way shows how intelligent I am.. :roll: I didn't have a clue what carcinogenic meant until I looked it up... :mrgreen: {Things that could cause cancer.}
When I was a young lad, :lol: I was told, if you eat burnt toast you will get cancer.... :scratch:
It's not happened yet....Now were is that piece of wood to touch..... :lol: :lol:
So true Rod. There's a lot of scaredy cats out there. I love burnt toast too! Everything is carcinogenic, just some things more than others :D
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by FWLR » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:04 am

bambuko wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:08 pm

Can be done this way, but it is probably six ve half a dozen (or whatever is the correct English idiom :D )
"Six of one and half a dozen of the other" ....... Dave... :thumbright:
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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by bambuko » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:25 am

Thank you FWLR
It's just lazy of me - should have googled it :mrgreen: before posting :thumbleft:

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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by bambuko » Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:23 pm

Sounds like I got away with it :mrgreen:
Cleaned axle holes in the wheels with wet & dry, soaked the wheels in acetone for two days, put them in a dishwasher
and after preparing them as normal loctited using Loctite 638.
Job done - they are solid :thumbup:

Next is the rear trailing pony truck, to finish all the wheels.
The only minor complication is that I want to use ceramic burner rather than poker burner,
so I will have to make sure that it not only fits in the frames but also fits around pony truck.

I think this will call for a mock up rather than just trying to design it on CAD...

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Re: bambuko loco works 0-6-2 (Fowler)

Post by bambuko » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:04 am

Spent couple of days pondering how to fit the burner and pony truck in the space available and here is what I came up with:

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It's shown with LH frame removed for clarity.
Red block secured with two bolts to frame stretcher is both burner bracket and provides bearing surface for pony truck to slide sideways.
Red block is shown with 10mm hole for gas burner, but it could also be changed to meth burner if I find problems with ceramic burner.
Of course meth or ceramic gas burner can be dispensed with and replaced with gas poker above, in which case red block becomes only a bearing surface for pony truck.
Weight of the pony truck and it's freedom to move up and down (a bit) as well as left and right, should be sufficient to keep pony wheels in contact with rails, but...
if necessary I guess it should be easy to add some springing.

Methinks it's time to start cutting metal :mrgreen:

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