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Re: Southwold coach

Post by Trevor Thompson » Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:31 pm

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I couldn't resist the challenge of drawing up a complete compensated cleminson chassis.

The idea being that the springs actually allow the axle boxes to move up and down in the W irons.
It incorporates Philips arrangement and my arrangement to limit sideways movement of the centre axle.

It looks like this:
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The end trucks are intended to be pivoted at the holes and the centre truck free to do what it likes. A 3mm diameter stainless rod is intended to go through the holes in the uprights under each truck.

Individual components are W irons, spring/ axle box, and truck:
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If anyone wants the STL files or the Sketchup file then provate message me.

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by ge_rik » Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:33 pm

I like the idea of the functional leaf springs. Would ABS be more flexible than PLA do you think?

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by philipy » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:03 pm

ge_rik wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:33 pm I like the idea of the functional leaf springs. Would ABS be more flexible than PLA do you think?

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Definitely. Actually I'm not sure even ABS would be flexible enough though.
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Re: Southwold coach

Post by Trevor Thompson » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:15 pm

I think it would be sufficiently flexible.

The springs on the wagonette actually work as springs - that is what makes me think it would.

If a particular spring is too stiff it can be altered. Different parabola. Different width different thickness.

Of course it is an experiment. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Worth trying?

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by Trevor Thompson » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:18 pm

If you want to play around with it give me some dimensions for the southward model and I can print off appropriate parts, try it out and send you a set which seems to work best

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by ge_rik » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:56 pm

Trevor Thompson wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:18 pm If you want to play around with it give me some dimensions for the southward model and I can print off appropriate parts, try it out and send you a set which seems to work best

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I'll press ahead with what I've printed out for now, but if it doesn't workout, I'll be in touch!

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by HugoFitz » Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:02 pm

I’ve 3D printed springs in PLA for a 00 gauge tension lock servo operated uncoupling device with great success. ABS is springier so probably even more suitable!

If you want some light bedtime reading try this paper I found.

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1 ... 042008/pdf

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by Jimmyb » Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:13 am

I have to admit I am amazed by the resourcefulness of you 3D printing fraternity, and of course impressed.

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by GTB » Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:40 pm

ge_rik wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:33 pm I like the idea of the functional leaf springs. Would ABS be more flexible than PLA do you think?
I'd be very wary of trying to make plastic springs work reliably. Especially the polymers available for home printers.

Flexibility and springiness are very two different physical properties, the relevant measurement is Young's Modulus and polymers have very low results.

The other problem with polymers is that they creep under load. It takes time, but over months the shape of the spring will change. We found acetal was the best injection moulding polymer for making springs, but I've seen that creep over time.

If you want working springs, design the print to use phos bronze strip/wire, or music wire, as the spring element which can be threaded through the axle box print and hidden behind the dummy springs.

I have a vague memory that something like this was available in P4 in the distant past when I still read MRJ. Probably based on a fold-up etching and suitable wire, which was the high tech of the time.


The model looks good so far and given your interest in the Southwold, I hope you can get it to run in Cleminson form.

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by philipy » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:48 pm

GTB wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:40 pm the relevant measurement is Young's Modulus
Contrary to popular belief, Youngs Modulus has nothing to do with metal, springs etc. It is in fact the definition of a corset: " Extension is proportional to load within the elastic limit"

Sorry, I'll get me coat! :lol:
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Re: Southwold coach

Post by ge_rik » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:48 pm

This reminds me of the discussions which occur on my weekly walks with a group of friends from the village (before we were limited to walking with just one other person). One was a Mining Engineer, one was a chemical engineer, one was a mechanical engineer and the other was a secondary school science teacher ( with a First from Imperial).

As a former primary school teacher, I sometimes just let them get on with it ...... 😳🤔😏

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by ge_rik » Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:59 pm

More or less finished the coach.

Not the best photos. The weather has been awful all day here and so not been able to take it out into the garden for a test run and get pictures in decent lighting.
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I've not yet managed to give it a proper run over the whole line, but it now seems OK over the most undulating section .....

Weather permitting, I can test out its running characteristics at some point over the weekend

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by Peter Butler » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:12 pm

That's looking very nice Rik, I do hope it lives up to expectations.
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Re: Southwold coach

Post by philipy » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:18 pm

Amazingly spacious and open looking. I know nothing about the prototype but that is a very nice model.
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Re: Southwold coach

Post by Soar Valley Light » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:11 pm

Hi Rik,

That's lovely! I bet it's going to look the bee's knees with your existing passenger stock. The livery really suits it.

The steps and the handrails have worked out very well. I love the profile of the hand rails and the chain across between them really sets it off.

Are your platforms long enough to accommodate the full rake or is a a project in hand for platform extensions? ;)

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by ge_rik » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:40 pm

philipy wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:18 pm Amazingly spacious and open looking. I know nothing about the prototype but that is a very nice model.
The original livery only lasted a few years before being repainted in a plain colour scheme (as per the coach in the background). I chickened out of the fancy livery.
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Re: Southwold coach

Post by ge_rik » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:42 pm

Soar Valley Light wrote: Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:11 pm Are your platforms long enough to accommodate the full rake or is a a project in hand for platform extensions? ;)
Thanks Andrew
Fortunately, they are about the same length as my Leek & Manifold(ish) coaches and so I should be able to get away with it .... provided the six-wheel system works out OK

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by LNR » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:41 pm

As Philip said, a very open and airy design. Lovely work as usual Rik. It is certainly a very long vehicle to be on six wheels!
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Re: Southwold coach

Post by Andrew » Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:34 am

That really is a very fine carriage, congratulations! A whole rake of them will look amazing!

With those big wide windows it's going to demand your very best figures, not like a small-windowed compartment coach where you can get away with cheap charity shop toys!

I see it's on your test track - surely it won't get round curves that tight?!

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Re: Southwold coach

Post by Trevor Thompson » Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:51 pm

Rick

That looks very nice.

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