3 D Printing 16mm models

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by ge_rik » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:37 am

Just in case you need it too ....


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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by philipy » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:36 pm

That looks good Rik.
Can't say I've ever heard of your elephants foot before and as far as I know I haven't suffered from it ( my shoes still seem to fit OK! :lol: )! I've printed several of these with no probs.
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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by ge_rik » Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:56 pm

philipy wrote:
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That looks good Rik.
Can't say I've ever heard of your elephants foot before and as far as I know I haven't suffered from it ( my shoes still seem to fit OK! :lol: )! I've printed several of these with no probs.
How have you got the detail on the inside of the wagon? Did you print the wagon body as a whole unit or each side separately before gluing them together?

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by philipy » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:03 pm

A bit of a mixture tbh.
The basic box was printed as one piece and then the iron work and end stantions were printed seperately and glued on. The floor is a piece of scribed 2mm styrene glued inside the body and the underframes etc are printed and glued together underneath. The floor was done that way partly to save printing time and because it easier to get the grain effect with a file on a flat sheet than trying to print it somehow.
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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by ge_rik » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:41 am

Interesting. I suppose printing the sides vertically works well as the striations give the impression of woodgrain. I wouldn't have dared to try printing the body in such an orientation on my old printer, but I could give it a try on my new one.

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by philipy » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:46 am

ge_rik wrote:
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I suppose printing the sides vertically works well as the striations give the impression of woodgrain.
Yes thats what I thought about the horizontals.
I was very reluctant to try printing bodies for quite a while because my first attempt when I was still very much a novice was a complete disaster. That was simply a classic case of trying to run before I could walk!
By chance I've been doing some playing with a wagon body using very fine settings and when it came off the printer last night I was extremely please with the results.:
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It's an iron bodied wagon, the walls of the model are 2mm thick and printed in PLA with 0.1mm layer height. The strapping is standing proud by 0.5mm. This is straight off the printer with no cleaning up at all. The striations are more obvious under the harsh flash than they are in real life.
The little bits of mess on the front top edge I expected, they are the printer trying to deal with unsupported hinge loops!

I wonder if I dare try at 1mm wall thickness??

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by ge_rik » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:51 am

philipy wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:46 am
I wonder if I dare try at 1mm wall thickness??
I've always slightly over engineered my models even before 3D printing. I reckon they need to be more robust to account for the heavy handling they get on my railway and to withstand the occasional plummet!

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by Andrew » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:38 pm

I recognise that wagon Philip! It's a nice prototype, isn't it? And you're making a lovely job of it...

I haven't done any more drawing yet, but I spent lunchtime today collating photos (I'll send them to you) from which I should be able to work out some measurements - but the floor's about right, so if everything else is roughly in proportion you should be more or less OK...

The 2mm body looks good to me - and you can always add the strip around the top, which would disguise the thickness anyway...

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by Trevor Thompson » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:46 pm

I shall have to try printing wagon bodies in one piece like that. So far I have always made them from separate components.

Just as a final offering wrt the Ashbury 4 wheel coaches. Here they are finished:
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I think they are as good as I can make them - however I were to make them.

What I have worked out is that there are errors in the drawing I used. I took the drawing from the 7mm associations book on the Festiniog rolling stock, and it shows a central external frame vertically in the central panel. I note that photos of the original coaches - and my own photo of the replica show that the central panel does not have a central bar across it. I have altered the CAD files and will print out more in due course.

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by philipy » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:34 pm

Those coaches look really good, well done.
Trevor Thompson wrote:
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I shall have to try printing wagon bodies in one piece like that. So far I have always made them from separate components.
The drawback is it's next to impossible to print anything with more than a nominal overhang, of course. So coach pannelling i doubt would be feasible.

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by -steves- » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:06 pm

Here is a roof I printed vertically, comes out very good. Printer is a Creality Endor 5 Pro.

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by Andrew » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:41 pm

Trevor Thompson wrote:
Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:46 pm
What I have worked out is that there are errors in the drawing I used. I took the drawing from the 7mm associations book on the Festiniog rolling stock, and it shows a central external frame vertically in the central panel. I note that photos of the original coaches - and my own photo of the replica show that the central panel does not have a central bar across it.
Don't you just hate it when that happens?! The incorrect bufferbeam on my WHR Pickering brake happened tat way, and it still bugs me 10-ish years later!

Lovely looking carriages though, and the lining's fantastic.

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by Peter Butler » Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:27 pm

Not 16mm but American Narrow Gauge 3D printing on another level.
From 33.40 shows you how.....

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%23YVRR
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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by philipy » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:26 am

Peter, I don't think that link is quite right? It takes me to a page full of video links but don't know which one you were aiming for?

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Re: 3 D Printing 16mm models

Post by Peter Butler » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:38 am

It should have shown the first video listed.... it is a long video, but the 3D print part begins at 33.40...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHGkZHLqALY&t=2027s
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